May 5th 2003 - October 1st 2010.




October 1st 2010.
An email from Mike Jones is reproduced below in which he laments the sad state of our forgotten branch lines.

Hi Geoff, Hope this communication finds you well?
Thanks for info on Bill Rear's book " Caernarfon and the  lines from Afonwen and Llanberis ".
I bought a copy from Harlech Books via Amazon.
Took my annual jaunt back to North Wales last week, with the said tomb, a 1952 O/S map of the Lleyn peninsular and a Nikon D90.
What I can't understand is why that slim corridor of land, that accommodates a railway line, can't be left alone and intact.
And why destroy the buildings?...
This is after all OUR heritage.

I know Afonwen is a few miles from 6G, but it seems to me you are the North Wales railway champion, good on you sir.
I have tried to replicate a few photos from the book, but what with ill health, and a female in tow, it's curtailed my efforts somewhat.
I will download a few photos if it's of any interest of what's remaining of these lines,
hope to hear from you soon.

All the very best and kind regards Mike.


August 12th 2010.
"John" of Frodsham has provided the two shots below.
The first photo shows 48151 with yesterday's "Welsh Mountaineer" approaching Tal y Cafn station.

This great shot below by "John " of Frodsham, shows driver Bill Andrews taking a well earned break, at Llandudno Junction,
before setting off for Blaenau Ffestiniog with yesterday's "Welsh Mountaineer".


August 11th 2010.
LMS class 8F 2-8-0 no. 48151 skirts the River Conwy at Tal y Cafn, earlier today, on her way to Blaenau Ffestiniog
with the Preston - Blaenau - Preston "Welsh Mountaineer".


July 26th 2010.
The Cambrian has started it's running today and will run Mondays to Fridays until 30th August 2010.
It will be hauled by Black Five No. 44871 and will run:
Machynlleth-Porthmadog-Machynlleth (Tuesday and Thursday)
Machynlleth-Pwllheli-Machynlleth (Monday,Wednesday and Friday)

John Powell has provided the three shots below which show what is believed to be the first
Black Five to ever haul the Cambrian, arriving at Pwllheli earlier today.

44871 reversing into the sidings to await the return leg to Machynlleth earlier today.


July 25th 2010.
An email and photo with comments from Tony Mills
is reproduced below.


Firstly congratulations on a great site. I read a request for information from a couple of years ago relating to the attached photograph.
This has turned up on the Science and Society Picture library web site and is described as “LNWR officials at Royal lancashire Show, 1909.”

I note that this photo appears in the Anderson & Fox Pictorial survey of the Chester to Holyhead Railway  book.

The answer may have already been published but I would still take the opportunity to again congratulate you on a great site.

Once I can get my photographs sorted with your permission I will send you some of the steam specials from the early nineties along with a number of diesel
shots taken around the junction and the coast.




Tony Mills


July 10th 2010.
An email from ex-signal man Andrew Parry is reproduced below.

Just want to leave you a small word of support for a first class web site.
As an ex signal man for Llanfair PG, Aber and Gaerwen Boxes
it was nice to see the faces
of the old boys in the Bangor box photos and equally it was sad to find they had passed on.




Andrew Parry


 Street Lighting Maintenance.

 Lincolnshire County Council.


July 25th 2010.
My reply to Andrew and another email and photo from him, are reproduced below.

Hello Andrew,

Many thanks for your kind words and detail.

I hope you don't mind but I have published your email on the NEWSPAGE.

I am so glad you found the site interesting and I am pleased you enjoyed the photos of your old work mates.

If you have any interesting detail from those days, that you would like to share, please let me know as site visitors
are always interested in these sort of nostalgic recollections.

Regards,  Geoff.

You’re very welcome Geoff.


If I dig around I’m sure I have a few photos around that I could let you have to make an opinion on as the early 80`s is when
I developed (no pun intended) a likening for photography so I must have something somewhere.


One thing I did forget to include was that before I did my six week training in Manchester and I took over Aber box
was the fact that I started off life on Bangor station as a porter and then managed to get the position of “rest day relief” working
between Llanfair PG box and Llanfairfechan booking clerk.


I was not very happy to see that Llanfairfechan station has been taken down it was a classic solid stone built station house that
was in need of some TLC but I suppose that’s what some call progress and some of us call it a very sad state of affairs and
a wasted opportunity to retain local history.


I was on lunch at work when I was flicking through the www and following a chat with my boss when we started  reminiscing about
past work sites and froze when I saw the picture of some of my old colleagues in Bangor box.


One name you might want to add to the picture in question is the name Arthur Pegler (no2) he is the gent in the dark coat stood
in the front of the picture with the receding hair line, a highly experienced Bangor signalman and was from even when I was a child,
if you used his name you meant Bangor box.


The individuals in the picture are ….


1 Alan Bullimore (Y Tarw) Welsh for “the Bull”, a quiet and calm well spoken gent who never seemed to get phased by anything
and in fact it was Alan who “Passed me out” in Aber Signal Box


2 Arthur Pegler. A highly respected and experienced signalman in Bangor box for many years.


3 Kenneth (Ken) Williams (aka Ken “Polly” because he sounded like a Polly parrot when he got het up or stressed)


4 Ken Wood, Ken worked Gaerwen box from many years.


5  W.R.Jones  (aka The professor as he was affectionately nicknamed. The Prof as he was a highly experienced a rest day signal man
who could work all of the signal boxes in the area from Llandudno Junction to Holyhead and probably a few more that I did not know he could cover.


6 Derek Evans. Highly experienced Bangor box signal man and some one who I worked along side (box to box) form day to day.


7 Malcolm Wrigley Very experienced who lived ate and breathed railways from a very young age and by the sounds of it still does.

And if Malcolm is still around and kicking I should drop him a line see how he is doing.


All the best.


Andy Parry


June 23rd 2010.
Two shots by Stéphanie Durrant, of 37409 with the observation coach "Caroline",
at Rhyl today.


May 30th 2010.

A humorous memory from Mike Jones is reproduced below.

Coming back from Llandudno on a Sunday school outing,  
My friend Hughie had bought himself a cap gun.

  On reaching Afon Wen, his enthusiasm for shooting everything in sight had got the better of him,
and the consequences were, he dropped the gun on the track, right in mid shunt!

  Without any hesitation he pulled the communication cord.

To us kids there wasn’t a worse crime, I think it came before "don’t talk to strangers".

The train screeched to a halt, and it wasn’t long before an irate guard was striding down the train shouting
"Who pulled the Cord".

Hughie owned up , the rest of us tried to hide under the seats.

The end result was he got his gun back, and we carried on to Pwllheli.


May 25th 2010.
New - build A1, 60163 "Tornado" approaching Chester at Shed Lane bridge, with the London Euston - Chester
"Cathedrals Express"on Saturday May 22nd 2010.

Two more shots by Stéphanie Durrant of the same train at Chester.


May 14th 2010.
Three precious memories of a popular train spotting location (now long gone) are provided below, by Jim Fenton.

Unearthed the attached by accident! Any interest, as I know it is a bit removed.
They show Tan-y-Bryn Rd. bridge in 1983 just prior to demolition.
There was a large end parapet at the Conwy Rd. side that was the location of all my trainspotting records at this location.
I'd forgotten how narrow it was! It used to be a significant route for traffic to Rhos! Not as clear as John Powell's photos,
but he obviously had a far superior camera!!!
Thanks for the advice on the shunter.


May 6th 2010.
An email and two photos from Mike Evans Jones are reproduced below.

Hi Geoff,

Glad I found your web site,

I lived in Pwllheli, and travelled by train to Caernarfon and Pen y Groes with my friends,
every summer Saturday to Pennychain, lugging incoming and outgoing holidaymaker’s luggage at Butlins.

I went everywhere by train it was so much cheaper than Crosville buses.

I am trying to document with photos and script, the Caernarfon to Afon Wen line.

Any help would be appreciated.

I live in Norfolk now, freshly retired, but I go back nearly every year.

It saddens me when I look at the old line; it gets further away from reinstatement every year,

I like to think ONE DAY PERHAPS!

Thanks for the photos

Kind regards , Mike Evans Jones.

PS. I enclose two photographs I took at Bryncir last year.



I took the two photos below in September 2009. This gentleman is building a 7 1/4" or 7 1/2" gauge
loco in a new unit at the old Bryncir station site.

Below is another interesting photo showing building work at Afon Wen Station in 1924.
Mike's grandfather David Evans Jones is on the front row (seated) with trowel, third from right.
Mike's father took the photo so he owns the copyright.



February 19th 2010.
An email from Amanda Jones asking for any help with researching her family tree.


Hi, I very much enjoyed looking at the 6G website. It is of particular interest to me as I'm currently researching my family tree and it has always been said within the family that we have connections with the station.

I believe my grandfather (or great uncle) may have been stationmaster in the 40's/50's.

I have seen the photo of Mr Jones (the stationmaster in 1943) but don't know if he is related to myself or not. Do you know his first name?

I am really looking for information on Edward Jones (my grandfather). He was married to Florence Marjorie Jones. It may have been a second marriage for him and I believe they raised two daughters (who became teachers) and a son. My father (Alan Neville Jones) was the son, but I know he left home at 18 (in about 1956) and was never in touch with the family again. All he ever mentioned was the link with Llandudno Junction.
I know this is a bit of a long-shot but I thought it was worth asking. It's very difficult to track down particular Jones's in Wales!  
Thank you for your time. And as I said, I very much enjoyed looking at the website.
Amanda Jones


February10th 2010.


The Federation and its sixty local branches are run entirely by volunteers, who are themselves
railway pensioners. But it’s not all meetings and campaigning! – some branches also organise
social activities and keep in touch with members in their area.  

Yet to remain truly representative, and to have an even stronger voice, they need
to continue increasing their numbers, especially among the ‘younger generation’ of pensioners
and deferred pensioners.

Membership is open to anyone in receipt of (or with deferred rights to) a railway pension
and/or travel facilities, including widows and widowers of retired staff.

Active staff aged 55 or over are also welcome to join the organisation and add their voice
to the campaign to protect pensions and privileges in retirement.

By joining one of the branches, you will be able to keep in touch with fellow pensioners and
ex-colleagues and make new friends, as well as supporting the Federation’s voice and objectives.

Membership fees vary from branch to branch, but are always very modest.

The North Wales branch Secretary Derek Jones tells me that coffee mornings take place
every second Tuesday in the month at the
Queens Hotel, Llandudno Promenade starting at 10.45 AM.
(except December - when a Christmas lunch at the same venue is arranged)

I'm told these meetings are well attended so if you are interested in meeting up with
old colleagues and workmates why not contact the above organisation or ring
North Wales local secretary Derek Jones on 01745 338497.



January 23rd 2010.
An email from Terry Hughes is reproduced below.

I'm trying to find a photograph of Mold Junction in about 1940 to 1950 (I think) ideally showing the slate stocking yard where slates were
made up into consignments for forwarding throughout the UK. Can you suggest where I might get one.


January 16th 2010.
The "rail grinder" has been working on the Conwy Valley line and part of the main line this week (Monday - Friday AM)

It was stabled at Llandudno Junction for three days and then stabled at Rhyl on the final day.

The vehicle used this time is a smaller version of the one normally used on the North Wales coast main line which has seven vehicles.
The "grinder" usually carries it's own fire fighting equipment on board as it can cause fires at some locations with dry vegetation.

I saw the "grinder" on the main line at Mochdre earlier this week, at 01.30am, as it moved very slowly along the track.
Each vehicle carried three very bright lights along the side to illuminate the track as it crawled along.
In the dark misty light it reminded me of something out of "Close Encounters" or for even older readers "The Invaders".

(Thanks to Alan Roberts for providing the above detail and Stéphanie for the great photo at Llandudno Junction)



December 16th 2009.
I published an email from Ean Jones below earlier today in which Ean asks for any details on the Rhyl - Barmouth
Land Cruise trains of the 1950's.
I advised him to email "Gwenda" from Pwllheli, a contributor to this site in 2008, to see if she could add any information on the trains.
Ean has just sent me the email he sent to "Gwenda" and also her reply which are reproduced below.

Hello Ean, very interesting to learn about your mother but I couldn't have been on that train with her, I was on the Pwllheli to Rhyl
Land Cruise trains about 1959/ 1960.

I was in my late teens then, and happy days they were too.

There was a DJ giving running commentary and playing music, if I remember she was a lady from Criccieth.
Working with me in the buffet car was a girl from Bangor, if my memory serves me right that is. 

Say Hi to your mum, I'm sure she enjoyed her time on the train, and a Happy Christmas to you and family :)


Ean's reply....

Thanks for getting back to me so promptly.

It's a shame the time frames are different, but nice to know that the initial concept continued for quite a few years after my Mum left after meeting my Dad a couple of years into the job.  

The Land Cruise is one of her fondest memories, and if you have any memories or references at all, be it from the earlier or the later periods of either Land Cruise, I'd love to pass them on to her.  She'll be delighted to hear that the music concept continued, as I gather that was quite revolutionary at the time.

And a Happy Christmas to you and yours too!


Thanks Ean and Gwenda for the input. (Geoff)


December 16th 2009.
An email and two great photos from Richard Roberts, are reproduced below.

Hi Geoff


I’m enclosing a couple of photos of my father driving Black 5, 45282 in the 1960’s. I can see from your main web page that this engine was in Llangollen in 2003
so I thought these would be of interest to you.
My father is Aled Roberts (Bangor & Llandudno Junction driver) and he’s in the photos with another driver called Will Jim Davies.
The second photo is of the two of them standing in front of 45282 (my father Aled Roberts is on the left and Will Jim Davies on the right).


Kind regards,


Richard Roberts.


December 16th 2009.
An email from Ean Jones is published below asking for any more details on the
Land Cruise trains of the 1950's.

Hi Geoff

I noticed that you make a mention of this train on your website.  My Mum was the original hostess in the buffet car, and I'd love to find out a bit more about the train.  Perhaps you, or one of your train enthusiast friends, may be able to fill in some gaps!

This is what my mother remembers of it.

She was employed on trial basis by a Mr. John Downs who she remembers being either an executive or project manager with the LMS.  It proved to be such a success that she worked on it for, she thinks, around two or three years.

As you probably know, they initially used the Manchester Club Train, with just a small unlicensed buffet area.  This was then replaced by possibly a custom made train with a whole licensed carriage, outward facing seats, panoramic windows, and music piped through the train (my Mum was actually the 'DJ'!).  It is possible that it was either custom built, or a specially imported train for the purpose.

If there is any further information you can shed on this, I'd be grateful.  She is 81 now, and these memories become more important as time goes by.

Ean Jones.

Ean Jon


December 2nd 2009.

The newly opened footbridge over the main line at Llandudno Junction gives a great new photographic vantage point
as the two photos by Alan Roberts shows below.


October 25th 2009.
An email from Alan Williams is reproduced below.


Hello Geoff

With reference to Keith Williams' query of 19 September requesting the
whereabouts of this layout.  The first article about it appeared in
Model Rail September 1999.  A short biography of Chris Evans contained
in that article stated that he was then living in Coulsdon Surrey.

Alan Williams.


October 13th 2009.
This great night shot was taken by Alan Roberts when he was working Llandudno Junction
signal box one night in 1998.


October 13th 2009.

Charlie Hulme who runs the NORTH WALES COAST RAILWAY website has sent me the link below:


The link shows a jigsaw with Britannia 70045, before being named "Lord Rowallan", and
Ivatt 2-6-0 46447, approaching Llandudno Junction with Conwy Castle in the background.
This evocative scene is sometime in the early summer of 1957.

The Jigsaw costs £11.95 and all proceeds go to
The Royal National Lifeboat Institution

Possibly a great Christmas present idea !


September 19th 2009.
An email from Keith Williams is reproduced below, asking for details on the great model rail layout
of 6G by Chris Evans, and also relating some detail he remembers from his days "spotting"
around the area.

Dear Geoff Poole
Your E Mail address has been forwarded to me by Arthur Jones who, in response to my query - see below - says he's sure you above all people may well be able to help!
As an officer and member of Sutton Coldfield Railway Society, I have taken an active interest in railways (steam in particular) for many years. 
A couple of months ago I came across a December 2008 copy of (I think it was) Model Rail which included a substantial article on a fascinating layout of Llandudno Junction station dating back to the days before 1956 when the old level crossing and the single carriageway Conway toll bridge existed:  I remember these well in my young days.  The article was well illustrated and mentioned that the layout never left home - I suppose because it is much too substantial. 
I have been trying for some months to locate the owner who, I guess, is likely to live locally to Llan. Junction as I would love to pay him a visit just to see his layout.  Can you help, please?
I was born and bred in Llandudno and my loco spotting days were spent at Llan. Junction plus Deganwy where I used to watch 'namers' such as the the morning Club Train at the beginning of its journey to Manchester. In the summer there were numerous interesting 'namers' to see as they brought folk from the N West and the Midlands for holidays on Saturdays.  And, of course, the sheds were a 'mecca' for many lads like myself.
Although I left N Wales over 30 years ago, I still visit Llandudno several times a year and If you or any of your members is able to put me in touch with the modeller concerned, I would be very grateful.  

Yours sincerely,
Keith Williams.


August 9th 2009.
An email from David Hughes of Old Colwyn is reproduced below, giving more details on the
photograph of "Ivatt" class 4F, 43027  shown on the "Steam on the Coast" page,  April 16th 2009.
Many thanks David for this interesting information.

Dear Mr Poole,

May I add further information to the photo of 43027, April 16th 2009, "Steam on the Coast" page.

43027, new out of Horwich Works, was tested down the coast with a dynamometer car due to the poor performance
of these locos fitted with double chimney.

All test runs were between Crewe & Holyhead. The first test was between 5-8 April 1949 which resulted in poor steaming
with original chimney.

After a class 5MT blast pipe was fitted at Crewe Works other runs were undertaken on 17th and 18th May 1949.
One week later 43027 had another run with a chimney from a Fairburn 4MT 2-6-4 tank engine fitted.
Comparing photos, 43027 has the Fairburn chimney fitted in the photograph. 43027 returned to Sutton Oak shed
with a single chimney fitted.

The above information, and more, taken from an article "The Ivatt Moguls" by W A T Aves in the May 2001
edition of Steam Days magazine.

Hope this is of interest.

David Hughes
Old Colwyn


July 29th 2009.
An email from Tony Barlow of Perth,Western Australia (26/07/09) is reproduced below.
Many thanks Tony for your memories and kind words. I hope your email encourages
others to send in their 60's steam memories as so many site visitors find these recollections interesting.



How can I express my delight at finding this site. I was born in Colwyn Bay in 1956 and started spotting steam locos by Penrhos College foot bridge in 1965. There was a whole gang of lads that used to congregate there on a daily basis (after school) and especially during school holidays. At weekends we'd take ourselves over to Llandudno Junction (6G) to enjoy the array of activities and get round the shed. If memory serves me right we used to sit on the embankment just up from the shed to watch all the loco movements. Plus there was a good chippy just around the corner!! Also remember "cabbing" many steam locos as they sat at the Junction waiting for the guards whistle!

I am now based in Perth, Western Australia and have been searching for information of that period in my life which I loved so much. Although I only caught the tail end of steam it was a wonderful time. I regret to this day not being a few years older so I could of fully appreciated what was happening to the railway network and seeing more of those wonderful Steam Engines especially at Llandudno Junction!

Thanks for the memories


Tony Barlow.

Tony has also sent in the two further emails (27/07/09) which are self explanatory.
I hope you find Jim Fenton's data helpful Tony. You could also have a look at Phil Seymour's page
and also John Powell's data page.

Hi Geoff
No problems publishing, it may raise a few eyebrows and who knows someone may remember me!
I am actually trying to get some data as to train movements (loco details etc) through Colwyn Bay / Llandudno Junction from 1966 to the end of steam in 1968. Also locos on shed 6G over this period plus the local residents! If you know of anyone out there who can furnish such data it would be very much appreciated. I know it's a long shot but because this was such an important part of my life I am gutted I lost all my log books from those great days! I have a list of locos I saw but can't put dates and locations. It would be great if I could put the puzzle together.
All help greatly appreciated.


Just seen Jim Fentons section, fantastic. The name rings a bell. I use to be one of the "boys" on Penrhos college bridge during those golden years! Although I still have my Ian Allen combined volumes I lost my log books so I am sure some of this data will fill some gaps! 

Many thanks,



July 16th 2009.
Bob Barnsdale tells me that the wooden animals mentioned below, that were at Llanfairfechan station
before being moved to a private garden in Nant y Felin Road, were made by a signalman
who lived near the seafront on Shore Road East.
Any further help on this matter would be appreciated.


July 15th 2009.
Another email from Jean Harris, in Canada, regarding the query she posed regarding a local station
that had small carved animals on the platform that she fondly remembers from her childhood days in
North Wales is reproduced below.
Originally we thought it may be Pont y Pant station on the Conwy Valley branch (see below)
but Bob Barnsdale offered an alternative of Llanfairfechan station and Jean thinks this now could be the station she remembers.
As you will see from previous emails from Bob Barnsdale He mentions that the wooden
animals etc, were removed from the station and placed in a private garden in Llanfairfechan.

I promised to try and photograph them for Jean but unfortunately could not find any trace of them and
my email to Bob is also reproduced below.


Dear Geoff,
Yes we received the hi-res pictures, thank you, Bill has downloaded them into the 'railway' folder
alongside such well-known names as The Flying Scotsman 4472 which we saw in San Francisco
and the CPR Empress 2816 which we rode behind last year.
As I'm digressing a little from your Email questions I'd like to add how great it is to hear
all these familiar place names from my childhood, and to mention that although I don't speak
Welsh, my mother grew up in Waenfawr in a little stone cottage tucked in to the mountainside
and she did speak Welsh.
Anyway, back to Llanfairfechan...it certainly could be the station...the garden is in the right place..but as for buildings I'm not sure..they all seem to have the same style building in the same position on the platform. Maybe the wooden animals will confirm it.
Thanks again


Hi Bob,
Just thought I would let you know that I had a look at Llanfairfechan today as I have promised Jean in Canada
that I would try and photograph the animals etc, for her, but I couldn't find the animals from the station.
I travelled up Mill Rd and counted ten houses into Nant y Felin Rd on the left and ended up at a small mid-terrace
house with a very small front garden. There was no sign of the animals here.
I enlisted the help of the local postman who told me that there was a large garden at the rear of the house
so they may be there. The house was No 2 Nant y Felin Rd, but unfortunately no one was at home at the time.
The postie told me that the people that lived there had been there for many years so it sounds as if it could be
the relatives you mention. The postie was quite intrigued with the query and I left him my address so he promised
to let me know if he finds any details. He also mentioned that his Dad was born on the council estate at the back
and had lived there for his full 75 years so I mentioned that he may remember you Bob, as you
were born there also.
Any way I left him with a copy of your email as well so he may contact you regarding his Dad.
I will keep you posted on any developments.
Regards Geoff.


July 8th 2009.
Another email from local railway archivist and EX-6G worker Bob Barnsdale is
reproduced below.
Bob has given more detail on the wooden animals he remembers at
Llanfairfechan station.

Dear Geoff,
When you leave Mill road and go into Nant-y-Felin road it's about the tenth house on the left where
some of the objects may still be found?
These may have been saved by possible relatives of Jim Gannon, or Jack Bala, the porters at the station
some 45 years ago. If I'm passing through Llanfairfechan sometime I will have a look to see if their still there.
Look at plate 208 in "An Historical Survey of Chester to Holyhead" and you can see part of that garden setup.

Yours Bob.

P.S. I like the picture of sirocco up the branch, I have a valve handle off it, but was too young to remember them, yet my mate Peter Owen,from Penmaenmawr, was taken on a footplate ride to Llandudno by his father, a fitter in the shed, he must be one of the few surviving people to have done that.

Thanks Bob,
I will email Jean Harris again, in Canada, and see what her feelings are regarding Llanfairfechan
being the station she remembers from her childhood.

Bob refers to "Sirocco"  in his email above. "Sirocco" was a
4-4-0 LNWR Whale "Precursor" class (shown below).
It's original number was 5297 being one of 130 built between 1904 - 1907
in the series 5187 - 5189.

Originally built without superheaters but most of the class, including "Sirocco" were
rebuilt with superheaters and Belpaire boilers.
The first engine was withdrawn in 1927 and the surviving engines were re-numbered in 1934
by having 20000 added to their original numbers.
25297 "Sirocco"  built at Crewe in November 1904, was the last survivor of the class and the only
one to come into BR stock. The engine was re-numbered by BR as 58010 but was withdrawn in
June 1949 and scrapped in October 1949 without ever carrying it's BR number.
Shown here taking water at Betws y Coed station in June 1947.


July 7th 2009.
Bob Barnsdale has offered Llanfairfechan as another option, for the station
referred to below by Jean Harris.

I will email Jean and ask for her comments.

Bob Barnsdale's email is reproduced below.

Dear Geoff,
The lady is referring to Llanfairfechan, I should know I was brought up there.

Yours Bob Barnsdale.

p.s. what not many people know is that some of those wooden animals still survive in a private house
garden in Llanfairfechan, Nant-y-Felin Road.


July 2nd 2009.
An email from Jean Harris is reproduced below in which she states that after having seen the photo's
of Pont y Pant station, that I sent her, it is the station that she remembers form her childhood.

Hi Geoff,
Thank you very much for taking the time to photograph the station for me. I believe it is the one I remember, I tried to visualize the garden in the centre of the platform where the shelter is now. Thanks to John Kirwood for responding, and to you Geoff for posting it on your site.
I would love to have a couple of your photographs in high resolution:
pontypant1 and pontypant4
Best Wishes
Jean Harris

The two photographs Jean has asked for are reproduced below.


June 26th 2009.
Jean Harris has replied to the response below from John Kirwood regarding the inquiry about the
station she remembers visiting as a child. John suggested that it may be Pont y Pant station
on the Conwy Valley branch line to Blaenau Ffestiniog and it would appear that Jean thinks that it
could be this station.
I have promised to photograph the station and send her a copy as she is now living in Canada.

Hi Geoff
This certainly sounds as if it might be the station I remember, although I don't recall the playground.
I would love to have a picture of it the next time you're through that way, otherwise I would have to
make the long and expensive trip from Canada to photograph it myself!!
PS Are you able to thank John Kirwood for me?


June 26th 2009.

EX-6G John Kirwood has sent in the following detail that may help Jean Harris's request
Below (19/06/2009)

         The next station from Betws towards Blaenau Ffestiniog was Pont y Pant, this station, on the river side
had quite a show as described by Jean Harris. In addition, there was a footbridge over the river from the station
to a field which had swings and other playground items. This was in the middle of nowhere.
I have happy memories of the train ride from Blaenau to Pont y Pant to play on the swings for an hour or so,
then returning home with my sisters and mother on the train, worked by a Stanier  2-6-2 tank.
This was in the late 40's a few years after the war.
This might have been the station Jean remembers, being not far from Betws y Coed.
                                                                                                   John Kirwood.


June 19th 2009.
An email from Jean Harris is reproduced below with a request for information
on a station she remembers as a child. if anyone can help please email me
through the usual email address geoff@poole57.freeserve.co.uk

Hello Geoff,
I found your Email address when looking at pictures of Betws-y-Coed railway station. When I was very young, during the war and for a couple of years after, I lived in Rhyl and made a number of railway journeys between Rhyl and Liverpool, and Rhyl and various places to the west.The purpose of this inquiry is to ask if you, or anyone you know, remembers a railway station, or halt, that was beautifully decorated with flowers and animals, birds, butterflies, it was a child's delight and I always looked forward to stopping there.
Any information would be great, thank you,
Jean Harris  (nee Poole!!)
PS...My husband,a big train enthusiast, loves the 6G Road website.

May 18th 2009.
An email from 6G driver Barry Taylor is reproduced below detailing the total
complement of drivers at Llandudno Junction today.
Many thanks Barry.

Good Morning
The summer workings have just started and the depot is now down to 18 drivers, not too sure if this is the
amount but there are not many of us left.

The drivers are:
G.Stone, A Barnes, G Blackett, P.Simpson, N.Forrest, D.Hill, A.Lock, B.Taylor, G.Shingles, A.Hill, M.Green,
A.Stradling, C.Warren, C.Booth, R.Walker, A.Frodsham, R.Jones & J.Evans.

All proud to be still "Junction" men.

Regards Barry Taylor.


May 14th 2009.
An email from EX-6G fireman Dave Roberts is reproduced below.
Many thanks for your contact Dave, I'm sure many site visitors will remember you.

My name is Dave Roberts. I joined 6G as a cleaner on the 15-05-1961.
With some other lads, I passed out for firing duties.
Worked with all the drivers on various jobs - London's , Mails , Manchester Club .....
to name a few.
Spent a long period mating the famous Tommy Gill ..... happy times!

       Best wishes  Dave      Works No201


April 3rd 2009.
An email and photo from Alan Roberts, showing a derailment at Llandudno Junction in 1973,
is reproduced below.

Found this in my collection of snippets from newspapers. It appeared in the North Wales Weekly News c.1973.
and shows a derailment of a class 24 diesel being rerailed. Any information would be much appreciated.
Think that the member of staff with a "beret" on his head could be Dai Rowlands, shunter at the time at
Llandudno Junction.
Alan Roberts


March 7th 2009.

John Powell has sent in this great link showing actual footage of the record run of 6220
in 1937. About half way through the video it shows what must be unique film of the three
engines that ran between Colwyn Bay and Llandudno Junction to commemorate the three Royal trains
of 1835 - 1911 & 1937, which is described on the STEAM DAYS page.

The three locomotives are shown running towards Llandudno Junction at Mochdre.

The engines were:

Ex. Liverpool & Manchester Railway 0-4-0 "Lion" built 1838.
LNWR Bowen - Cooke 4-4-0, 3P, George the Fifth class "Coronation" built 1911.
4-6-2, 7P, Princess Coronation Class 6220 "Coronation" then brand new.




February 17th 2009.
An email from Roy Harris giving details on the North Wales Land Cruise trains is reproduced below.

I was reading some old entries on the news page and noticed the appeal by Gwenda from Pwllheli for
information on the Land Cruise trains.
She may wish to borrow a copy of the Foxline book "Scenes from the Past 18: 
Railways Along the Clwyd Valley - Corwen to Rhyl via Ruthin, Denbigh and St. Asaph" by WG Rear.  
(A pretty long title!)   ISBN 1-870119-23-1.
Pages 27-28 give details of the Land Cruises, with details of locos, timings, routes etc.
Briefly it started in 1951 with The Festival Land Cruise running Rhyl-Denbigh-Corwen-Dolgellau-Barmouth-Afonwen-Bangor-Rhyl.
In 1952 a Llandudno train was introduced which went to Rhyl and then followed the first one.
In 1953 the trains were renamed The Coronation Land Cruise, following the same timings as before.
1954 saw continued increasing popularity with a Tuesday and Thursday departure from Pwllheli to Barmouth-Corwen-Rhyl-Caernarfon-Afonwen-Pwllheli.   A fourth train, from Llandudno Junction,
proceeded to Caernarfon and followed the Pwllheli train.
In 1958 an ex-Devon Belle Pullman observation car was sent to the LM for use on the cruises.  
The book notes that it was repainted.   If anyone knows the exact livery I would be interested.  
One of my modelling magazines states that it was painted maroon.  
This looks very probable for the sister vehicle sent to Scotland, which photos show in one overall colour,
but the black and white picture in Mr. Rear's book shows a two-tone colour scheme which fits the
old Pullman colours.    Anyway the Pullman crests are replaced with BR roundels and the coach
now carries the inscription "The Land Cruise Lounge".    (Hornby are bringing out a model of and I'm
trying to justify one running through Conway on my layout without too much repainting!)
Last year of operation seems to have been 1961, with a Tuesday and Thursday departure from
Pwllheli and one with revised routeing from Rhyl.
Incidentally B&R archive film 79 has a couple of minutes of the Land Cruise right at the end,
although it's not worth buying for that alone.
Roy Harris.


February 17th 2009.
An email and appeal for information reproduced below regarding a photo on the HOMEPAGE
of 9F No. 92116 pulling a summer Saturday train from Sheffield to Llandudno on June 11th 1960.
If anyone can help please email this site through the email link on the HOMEPAGE.

Hi Geoff,

While I was browsing your fascinating website this weekend I noticed that one of
the photographs on your home page features 92116 working a summer
Saturday train
from Sheffield to Llandudno on 11 / 6 /1960.  What suddenly struck me was that
the Saturday in question was the same one on which I first went train spotting to
Chester!  In the circumstances I thought I’d write to you to see whether you are able
to identify the photographer for me and if possible indicate whether he might have taken
any further pictures or made notes about other train workings while in the area.
Ideally I should like an opportunity to make contact with the photographer because
I would be interested in trying to obtain from him any information that may help me
recreate my records about my trip to
Chester, none of which have survived.

I look forward to hearing from you and not surprisingly should like to take this
opportunity to thank you for featuring the photograph that has prompted this email! 
I have no recollection of the train concerned but there is a fair chance that I saw it myself

Best wishes.

Brian Roberts


Another email from Brian expanding the above detail (received 18/02/09) is reproduced below.

Hi Geoff,

Many thanks for your response and helpfulness.  With this and possible further reconstruction
of my early notes in mind, I should mention that apart from on 11 June 1960 it seems I had
days out to Chester on 25 and 29 July 1961, as well as 5 September that year and a brief visit
there on 19 August. 
In 1962 I went on 11 and possibly
12 April 1962, and 24 October. 
In addition a friend of mine would also love to know more about what he saw in the
early 1960s.  At the tender age of nine he enjoyed a family holiday at Talacre from
08 to
22 July 1961.  He elected to sun himself at the local station in preference to the
nearby sands but like me has no notes to help recall those happy days.

In electing to inform you about all the above additional dates I didn’t presumptuously
expect you to publish them on your website along with the request for information
about 11 June 1960. 
I appreciate that the date in 1960 is different in that it links directly with the 6G website. 
However, if you consider that broadening of my initial request for help may prove of
interest to your contributors/browsers please feel free to use the additional information
as you see fit.

I look forward to hearing from your again soon.
In the meantime I’ll have a look at the data pages you suggest with great interest!

Best wishes,
Brian Roberts.  


February 14th 2009.
An email and four photographs from Roy Harris are reproduced below.
Roy emailed this site in August 2007 as he was building a model railway layout of Conway Castle
and surrounding track. Looking at Roy's photo's he has put a tremendous amount of detail into his layout.
It's no wonder it has taken him a while to complete as it was obviously a great amount of work involved.

Many thanks for the photo's Roy and well done!

Hello again Geoff.

Back in August 2007 you were kind enough to publish a question asking for
background information about freight working at Conway.   I promised to send
you some photos of my layout, but sadly it has taken rather a long time, for
which I apologise.

Last year I managed to ballast the track and paint the castle, so it looks
much more presentable.   Scenic work extends from the exit to the tubular
bridge as far as the archway where the line passes through the town walls.
In the photos the archway is blanked with a suitable picture as the station
area awaits even a platform!

I couldn't resist a picture of a similar engine to 44525 coming out of the
tubular bridge, hopefully in better weather than John Kirwood recalls!

Many thanks for your help.

Roy Harris.


January 14th 2009.
An email from Ian Beattie and my reply regarding the Gordon Coltas Trust
is reproduced below.

Hi Geoff
Noticed that the Gordon Coltas Photographic Trust will have a stall at the Rochdale Model Railway exhibition
in February. Does this mean that copies of his photos will be available to buy? 
I am very interested in his photos of LMS Streamliners.
Regards Ian.

Hi Ian, I don't have any information on this but the people you need to contact are:

Coltas Trust, 120 Hayhurst Avenue Middlewich Cheshire CW10 0BD.
Regards Geoff.


January 6th 2008.
An appeal for any photographs of D6841 has been made by Alex Napier for a modelling project.

I was wondering if you had any photos of D6841 as it was in green small yellow warning panel at the end of the
sixties or early seventies. This is for a modelling project.
Any help appreciated.
Alex Napier.


December 23rd 2008.
An email and an appeal for any photographs of the Colwyn Bay station area, especially the goods yard
area during the steam days, is reproduced below from Dave Hunter of DATON VIDEO.
If anyone can help please email me using the email link on the HOMEPAGE.

Hi Geoff..long time  since we emailed - hope you remember me.,...I
produced the DVD 'Up and Down the junction' - still going strong it is
too ! I'm  currently preparing  a production that will be entitled 'The
North Wales Coast Line - Recollections' - which will be along the same
lines as the other DVD, but featuring my own 'recollections' of the 
area between Holywell Junction and Llandudno Junction - it will also 
include some  memories and a brief look today at the Holywell Town
branch /  Dyserth branch / and the Vale of Clwyd line...plus of course
the two branches operational today ( Llandudno and Conwy valley) I'm
looking for / seeking some photographs of  Colwyn Bay station area -
especially the goods yard and wondered if you or  anyone else you know
had any I might use in the production - full credits given and  copy of
the DVD when complete...let me know if you have any ideas please. I
continue to enjoy the 6G site - essential viewing !!!
Best regards
Daton Video


December 17th 2008.

John Powell has answered John Bennett's appeal for more information on the Pullman loco's mentioned
in his email below (09/12/2008)

John Powell has found two shots of the class 73 loco that John Bennett refers to, on Charlie Hulme's
website, taken by Marc Jones.

He has also obtained permission from Marc and Charlie for the
two shots to be published below.

The two photos below show the class 73 No. 73101 at Llangollen in April 2008.


December 9th 2008.
An email and an appeal for information from John Bennett is reproduced below.

Dear Geoff,
Hi, I wrote to you some time back asking for help in disposing of a great many railway items that I inherited.
I really like the sound FX on your site and the way you've updated it-good stuff.
I've recently been watching the re-run of British Transport Films archive material on the BBC,
which tied in with the programmes about Beeching.
I saw a section about, "Pullmans", and these Loco's have sparked my interest.
Do you know if Pullmans ever ran here in North Wales and Llandudno Junction?
Do you know where I could find out more about these engines?
My searches so far haven't come up with too much info-all I know is that they weren't in service very long?

Best wishes
John Bennett


December 9th 2008.

As reported below, December's 'Model Rail' featuring an article spotlighting a working
layout of Llandudno Junction station and shed, by Chris Evans,  is now on sale.

Chris recreates a 24 hour summer Saturday timetable, in July 1961, at Llandudno Junction.
The photographs and detail are exquisite and a credit to Chris's dedication and hard work
over the twenty five years since this '00' layout became operational.

I'm sure visitors to this site will find this article of great local railway interest.


November 1st 2008.
Chris Evans tells me that his model railway layout of Llandudno Junction
is to be featured as the main article in the December issue of "Model Rail" magazine.
It will also include a lot about the operational side as well as plenty of photo's.
I think visitors to this site will find this article very interesting.
Chris's website can be seen at:    http://llandudnojunction.fotopic.net/


October 16th 2008.

John Kirwood (ex-6G) has sent in the following email in response to the appeal for information
by Tony Crowther (see email below 02/10/2008) on details of the engines Tony's grandfather
R.V.Jones (Bob Bychan) would have driven during his days at 6G.


   For Tony Crowther's information.

   On that Saturday I was fireman for  Bob Bychan, during the summer of 63 or 64, we relieved the "Cockneys"
   at Crewe, the engine was 45512 BUNSEN, a rebuilt Patriot.
   Bob started work on the railway on 21 September 1937, and would have worked on a lot of engines that had
   been built at the start of the 20th century, maybe even earlier.  He would certainly have worked on compounds
   the Prince of Wales class, and various other classes which were around at that time. (North Wales area).
   He also would have worked on most of the Stanier Engines, from the big Duchesses down to the small tanks.
   Bob would have also worked most of the B.R. standards.
   There is a good picture of R.V.Jones (Bob Bychan)  in the Scenes From The Past, 18 , Railways of Wales Book
   Corwen to Rhyl, by W.G Rear. It is a group photo.
   In the book Steam on the North Wales Coast by Michael Jones, on page 101, Fowler class 4 No.44525 and
   brake van is on the p.m. Abergele trip. The loco man on the engine to me looks like Bob Bychan.
   Hopefully this will help Tony.

   Regards. John Kirwood Ex B.R. Fireman.


October 9th 2008.
An email from Steve Morris is reproduced below. Steve has published a fascinating book covering
the diesels that ran on the North Wales Coast main line from 1959 to the present day.

Hello Geoff

I have finally published my North Wales Coast Diesels book! A scan of the front cover is attached for
information. This follows several years work researching Diesel loco use in North Wales between 1959
and the present day and I am indebted to a number of local people who assisted with provision of images, particularly from the early days of operation. I was wondering if you might like to include this on the 6G site. Should anybody want to order one I am selling signed copies on Ebay or just drop a note to
45 Danefield Road Holmes Chapel Cheshire CW4 7NS. Price is £14.95 + £1.00 contribution to P&P.

All the best,

Steve Morris.


October 2nd 2008.
An email received from Tony Crowther is reproduced below. I hope John Kirwood can help
with his request.

Dear Geoff,
I am emailing you for information about my Grandfathers Railway career. I have still got the Inter City 125 train set from Hornby Railways he bought me for Christmas in 1981, with that I have just purchased a model carriage for my train set and was wondering if I could purchase from Hornby a model Locomotive of the steam engines he used to operate as a fireman and driver. The only way I could find this out is from an ex BR driver who was a working colleague of my Grandfather who is John Kirwood who is a regular on your website, could you please ask him if he could remember the Locomotive he drove with Bob bychan.
Many thanks
Tony Crowther.


September 12th 2008.

A touching email from Tony Crowther, relating memories of his Grandad R.V. Jones  (Bob Bychan)
is reproduced below.

Many thanks for the contact Tony. I will email your thanks to John Kirwood.


I have just read an email from Alan Roberts, I have the issued British Rail cap which was given to my Grandad Bob Bychan
(R V Jones). He did wear his own cap whilst driving his trains and I have so many memories of him with his cap on whilst driving his DMU up to Blaenau Ffestiniog.
But he did always wear his British Rail jacket with the BR buttons. I have photos of him on the 'footplate' of his train going up Blaenau in 1978 which has him wearing his own cap and another photo of me and him standing by his DMU at Blaenau in the summer of 1977. I will definitely send these to you when your website 6G is sorted with servers. Please send on my thanks to ex BR driver John Kirwood for his email about my Grandad Bob Bychan, which was sent to 6G early last year. The last time me and my Grandad went on a train was to Crewe in 1986 summer, we got on the train and at Rhyl we got off and Bychan said to me 'go and see the engine if you want lad' we both went up to the engine, the driver looked at us and instantly recognized my Grandad, with that Bob felt guilty because if we had seen who the driver was at Crewe, we could have had a 'front seat' ride all the way from Crewe to Rhyl. Bob said to me next summer (1987) we will go to Euston to see the inter city, sadly Bychan died in early May that year.


September 12th 2008.
A welcome back email from Barry Taylor is reproduced below.

Good Morning
                      Good to see your website is up and running again missed all the questions and excellent replies will be having a look regularly from now on. Once again welcome back.
                                    Barry Taylor Driver at Llandudno Junction Not many of us left!!!!

Barry Taylor


SEPTEMBER 3rd 2008.


It's great to be back. 6G has had to move from the old location to this new space.

I have to thank regular contributor John Powell for taking the trouble to
alert Charlie Hulme of our predicament.

Charlie runs one of the most popular and comprehensive North Wales railway websites
The North Wales Coast Railway

Charlie felt that 6G provided unique reference material that should not be lost to the public and
offered his immediate help and expertise to enable 6G to be re-born within his web space.

Without Charlie Hulme 6G could have been lost forever.  All of the priceless detail supplied by
so many contributors, over the last five years, could have been just a memory.

Many thanks Charlie!


As we are now back to normal please send your comments, memories and photographic submissions
to the usual email address:      mailto:geoff@poole57.freeserve.co.uk 


August 2008.



Due to a software change by my Internet Service Provider, making it impossible to continue on the old servers, the 6G website has been moved, for the time being, to this new site at www.6g.nwrail.org.uk. Please change your links and bookmarks.

I would like to thank all of you for your support, help and encouragement over the last five years and I know that so many people have regularly visited the site and enjoyed the content, which is rewarding for my efforts.

Geoff Poole.



July 24th 2008.

An email from Colin Gargan is reproduced below. Many thanks for the contact Colin.


Greetings Geoff..
I typed 47555 colwyn into Google & came up with your website top of the list. I'm particularly impressed with the photos of the construction of the A55 & accompanying trains. 47555 (The Commonwealth Spirit) was my favourite haulage, had a few cabrides in it too. I can remember riding my new BMX along the A55 from Colwyn Bay to the Junction on Christmas Day 1984, bit bumpy in parts. The verity of tickets available in those days was good & at a very reasonable price. Evening rover (60p), North Wales Explorer (£3 for 7 days) & the Coast & Peaks Rail tour (£8 for 7 days) where regulars of mine, I was still a teenager then. I just want to thank you for a nice trip down memory lane & I'm looking forward to moving back to the bay next year after an absence of 15 years.
Thanks again..



July 6th 2008.

An observation by Alan Roberts is reproduced below.

A signaller approached me the other day regarding old style steam caps worn by drivers into diesel days instead of the issued ones.
In my railway career I remember seeing drivers wearing steam caps well into the 1980's.
They included Tommy Allen, Dennis Morris, Raymond Roberts and Kevin Aitcheson.
Also there were ones who preferred to wear their own flat caps such as R.V.Jones (Bychan), Norman Read, Norman Williams and Ifor Wynne Jones.
Nowadays its a rare occasion to see drivers wearing caps if ever they are issued anymore.
Perhaps some drivers preferred the old style caps than the new ones to wear, unfortunately I don't have any photos of drivers wearing them into the 1980's.
Alan Roberts 




June 11th 2008.

John Kirwood has sent in this information in response to the request by Tony Higgs
 for any information to help his research.

Re Email from Tony Higgs,  (NEWSPAGE May 24th 2008) 
who is researching the history of Monument Lane engine shed (21E)

There is a lot of information about Monument Lane Shed in the book  ' A LOCO MAN'S LOG, 1937-85'  by Bill Alcock,
who started his railway career in Saltney, and transferred to M.L. for a few years in the late 50's.
Monument Lane also worked S.R. (short rest) jobs to Llandudno on Summer Sundays. Tony mentions Les Jones driving
trains to Llandudno on summer Saturdays in the 50's,  Les Jones, nicknamed 'Cochyn'
(Anybody in Wales where Welsh was spoken was called Cochyn if they had red hair), started as a cleaner at
Llandudno Junction in 1942/43 and moved on loan to the Birmingham area when he was a passed cleaner.
( A lot of passed cleaners went on loan to the bigger sheds - Willesden, Saltney,Cricklewood and other sheds from Llandudno Junction during the winter months).
Les Jones stayed in M.L. shed, eventually ending up as deputy foreman or R.S.F. - running shift foreman.
Info about Les from T.A.Hughes (Tom Bodorgan)  and Bill Price (ex 6G drivers). 

Hope this will be of use to Tony Higgs.
John Kirwood.



June 7th 2008.
The Railway Touring Company have arranged a regular steam special from Liverpool to Holyhead and return
every Sunday in August plus Bank Holiday Monday August 25th 2008. This will entail six tours during August.
The locomotives to be used are:
71000 'Duke of Gloucester'
60009 'Union of South Africa'
46201 'Princess Elizabeth'




June 1st 2008.

Alan Roberts who edits the SIGNALLING pages has sent in these few memories he has of ex-6G driver Les Nevitt who passed away last year and who Alan Taylor befriended in the 60s.
(see NORTH WALES COAST STEAM page ,May 8th 2008)

Re-Les Nevitt

Les was allocated to local workings up to his retirement in the 1980's together with other drivers such as George Sheedy, Bob Jones (Bob Bychan), John Owen, Wil Hughes (Wil Gyffin), Gwilym Williams (Traws) just to name a few. Les was also keen in model railways and I can recall him telling me he had quite an extensive layout at home he constructed with his son Paul who still works on the railway,

Alan Roberts.




May 28th 2008.

An email from Ian Boulby is reproduced below. Glad the site took you back Ian.


Hi Geoff,
Thanks for the very interesting site. I lived near there in the early 1980's and the pictures brought back a lot of memories. Several of my friends and neighbours worked at the Hotpoint factory, 
I remember it as a busy , thriving place , a sad day when it closed.
Ian Boulby




May 28th 2008.

An email from Chris Evans is reproduced below. Chris has supplied much detail to this site over the last few years and has built a unique working model of Llandudno Junction station and 6G which is featured on his website (see LINKS page) Chris is appealing for photo's of the Octel trains which he needs to model accurately for his layout.
Chris also provides some information on the request by Ian McKellar (NEWSPAGE 19/02/2008) regarding 70000 "Britannia"  which Ian saw on shed at 6G in July 1965 sporting a "NOT TO BE MOVED" sign.

Many thanks for the contact Chris.


Hi Geoff,

Hope you are well!

I have just been browsing your website again and noticed Ian McKellar's request for info regarding Britannia 70000 being at 6G in July 1965.

I photographed it at the end of that month (see 'North Wales Coast Steam' section) and it appeared to have been out of service for some time and probably waiting for spares from Crewe.  Britannias were regulars at the Junction at this time - note that 70013 was also on the same road looking similarly neglected on the same date, although I have a photo in a book of it working north towards Carlisle on 31/7/65.  Perhaps 'Britannia' was returned to traffic at about the same time.

A strange request - if anyone has photos of the Bromine and/or Chlorine tank wagons that were used on the Octel trains to Amlwch in the early 1960s I would be very interested as I need to model these as accurately as possible for my 'Llandudno Junction' layout which, incidentally, is scheduled to make a further appearance in 'Model Rail' magazine later this year.

Best wishes,

Chris Evans




May 26th 2008.

Ex-6G man John Kirwood has emailed me in response to the appeal by Alan Taylor
(NORTH WALES COAST STEAM page...  May 8th 2008)
asking for any information about a 6G driver he befriended in 1964, who he thought was named Les Nevitt.
Unfortunately as you will see from John's email Les Nevitt passed away last year.

I have also included my reply to John below.

  A request recently from Alan Taylor who posted a couple of photos of 6G men on a 5X engine  on
  a Holyhead train.
  Sadly Les Nevitt; passed away about 12 months ago.
  The fireman in the picture is Glyn Jones ..living in happy retirement in Blaenau Ffestiniog, he left the railway
  shortly after the photo was taken to work at Trawsfynydd power station.
  Les was six years older than Glyn.
  There are other pictures of both men on your site   a few in steam days, and a few in the reunion pages ..
  Also they are both in the loco lists of 1962, Les in the passed firemen list and Glyn on the firemen list.
   Hope this might help Alan Taylor.
                                                               John Kirwood.
  p.s. I was lucky to find  the request from Alan Taylor as I usually only open into the latest news page. 




Hi John, Many thanks for the information on Les Nevitt. I was so sorry to hear that he was no longer with us. Another link with the past broken! I will pass it on to Alan Taylor and also publish your email on the NEWSPAGE. As regards the appeal for information on Les Nevitt being published on the NORTH WALES COAST STEAM page as against the NEWSPAGE,  I apologise for this, but the reason for it is that I am rapidly running out of space on the NEWSPAGE and my ISP is very strict on this, so larger files like photo's can no longer appear on the NEWSPAGE in case I exceed the allotted space. I am in the process of creating a new page along the lines of BULLETIN BOARD or NEWSPAGE (part two) [haven't decided yet] so as I can start including larger files in this important section.
Regards Geoff.




May 24th 2008.

An email from Tony Higgs and my reply are reproduced below. Tony is researching the history of 
Monument Lane engine shed (21E). He has added some interesting detail on summer Saturday workings to Llandudno and also some detail on an ex-Llandudno Junction driver Les Jones.
If anyone can help with this research please let me know and I will pass it on to Tony.
Many thanks for your email Tony.


Dear Geoff,

Enjoyed my browse around your excellent site. I am researching the history of Monument Lane engine shed in Birmingham and that shed used to have regular workings to Llandudno, particularly on Summer Saturdays. In the 1950s the trains were normally worked by one of the three Compounds at Monument Lane. I'm also assured that one of the drivers in the 1950s, Les Jones, was an ex Llandudno Jct man.

I'd also like to contact the team behind the Gordon Coltas photographic collection. Would you mind putting me in touch please.

Many thanks and keep up the good work.

Best wishes

Tony Higgs


Hello Tony, Many thanks for your contact and kind words. I wish you well with your research of Monument Lane. The people you need to contact are:
Coltas Trust, 120 Hayhurst Avenue Middlewich Cheshire CW10 0BD.
EMAIL: pa.suter@tiscali.co.uk
Regards Geoff.



May 6th 2008.

A very interesting email from Keith Stewart of Greater Manchester and my reply to him are reproduced below.


Dear Geoff.,
Just been browsing through your really excellent site. I grew up at Waverton, near Chester in the fifties. At that time I spent many, many hours at Waverton and on summer Saturday mornings trains passed in rapid succession towards Chester and the coast from around 0900 to well into the afternoon. In the opposite direction it seemed to get busy from around 1000 onwards but it never seemed quite so intense, but presumably the flows must have balanced out.
One point if I may (I may be telling you something you already know - if so apologies) but not all trains that displayed a reporting number on the front were 'specials' as opposed to summer dated trains. A signalman at Waverton once explained to me that 'W55 B' was the 0920 Crewe to Holyhead and that the suffix 'B' indicated Bangor or beyond. Of course the vast majority of trains went to Llandudno, i.e. those without such a suffix. It wasn't unknown for trains to build up trying to get through Chester which would result in trains held at Christleton (open Summer Saturday only), Waverton, Tattenhall Jn. and so on. Once that happened it would go on for an hour or more, until the service started to thin a bit.
Talking of reporting numbers, apparently up to number 499 were scheduled trains and 500 onwards specials. A fairly regular afternoon relief train from Euston to Llandudno was W949. 'W' indicated trains starting in the Western division of the LMR, 'C' the Central divisions and 'M' the Midland division. 
On one occasion, right in the middle of all these passenger trains came a loose coupled train of export cars for Birkenhead docks, clunking along behind a WD 2-8-0. The signalman told me this train was urgently wanted at Birkenhead for the ship, but you can image the queue of trains following! Bliss for such as me but it must have been a pain for trains crews and their passengers.
I worked on the railways from 1962-65 and on more that one occasion attended lectures somewhere in the 6G complex; in those days one just got off the train and wandered across the tracks, as per  previously given directions. Imagine that today, sometimes in the dark with far more movements and before HV clothing was even thought of!
Keep up the good work.
Keith Stewart.
(Greater Manchester) 


Hi Keith, Many thanks for your very informative email which I'm sure will be of great interest to site visitors. I must admit that I was under the impression that engines displaying a reporting number were indeed "specials" so I found this information very interesting also. Thanks also for relating your memories of those "steam days" that will be of great interest to site visitors.
Regards Geoff.





May 6th 2008.

An email received from Jeremy Suter is reproduced below. Jeremy has formed a photographic trust,
 with others, dedicated to the work of the late Gordon Coltas who we featured on this website with the 
"Gordon Coltas Postcards" page. Please contact this website if you wish to purchase or enquire about
 any of Gordon Coltas's photographs.

My reply to Jeremy is also reproduced below.

Dear Geoff,
Just a quick note, I found your website by typing in Gordon Coltas in Google. I am the current holder of his negatives along with 6 other people we have formed the Gordon Coltas Photographic trust and are now making prints from his negatives available. Myself (Jeremy Suter) Mike Bentley and Eddie Johnson are doing the printing If you get any enquiries, please pass on my details.



Hi Jeremy,

 Many thanks for your email and I wish you success with the trust. Gordon was a unique photographer and deserves recognition for his work which may now be forthcoming through your efforts. I will publish this email on the NEWSPAGE and if I receive any enquiries I will pass them on to you.
Regards Geoff




April 18th 2008.

An email just received from Roger Bennett is reproduced below. Thanks for the kind words Roger and
 I'm so glad you enjoyed the site. As regards the photo's and notes you mention, it would be great to 
include them on 6G.

Regards Geoff.


Hi Geoff
Just seen some of the 6G website and must tell you what a pleasure it's been to browse. I grew up in Faversham, Kent, and steam was eliminated as early as 1959 following electrification. However, my Grandparents owned a small house at the Junction, and I bunked 6G a number of times in 1965/6 (as a mid-teenager) on visits. So much in fact, I came to regard it as my 'home' shed.
Fortunately, I still have my notes of shed visits, + black & white prints and colour slides.
Let me know if you want any details of my stuff, and I'll attempt to supply.
I've ordered a copy of the D.R. Jones book advertised on the site.
Congratulations on the site.
Regards Roger Bennett   




March 19th 2008.

An email and an appeal for some corroboration of the points raised is reproduced below from Ian McKellar.
If anyone can throw any light on some of Ian's recollections please send your responses through the
 email link on the HOMEPAGE.


Two visits to Llandudno Junction stick in my mind.

1) in late July 63, visited the shed remembering in the scrap line a large no of 2-6-2-Ts - any indication of which ones?



Below is a list of predominantly 2-6-2-Ts in the stored engines line along the sidings at 6G in March 1963, supplied by John Powell, and published on the 6G ALLOCATED ENGINES page. 
These are probably the engines Ian remembers from his visit in July 1963. 

March 2nd 1963.   Stored engines along the sidings at 6G (line order)
























2) About the 3rd week of July 1965 copped No 70000 Britannia on 6G shed- if I remember rightly she had a not be moved sign and had been like that for some time. Any idea why she was there? (I was used at that time to A4s and Coronations (just departed) and Black 5s on my local line so a southern Brit was v rare for me.

3) In August 67, I was on the city wall at Chester and amazed to see a Jubilee coming off the North Wales line light engine- any thoughts on which one and what she was doing?
Ian McKellar
West Kirby,




March 1st 2008.

More response to the appeal by Gwenda from Pwllheli regarding the 
North Wales Radio Land Cruise trains.

The map of the route and an article describing the trains was sent in by John Powell,
and are shown below.

                                                landcruiseroute2comp.jpg (17925 bytes)                                            landcruise19542comp.jpg (15135 bytes)





February 28th 2008.

The Llangollen railway's Patriot Gala in April will officially launch the new-build project.

Steam Railway magazine announced that it's readers had narrowly voted for the name 
"The Unknown Warrior" by a small margin over "Remembrance" (which was my choice.)

Patriot Project leader David Bradshaw told Steam Railway 
"The name chosen will resonate with every patriot from all nations. It is universal and deeply 
poignant - a perfect name around which we can all rally."

The Patriot Gala will take place at Llangollen Railway between April 18th - 20th.
It will include the official launch of the project and the whole new-build team will
be available all weekend.
David Bradshaw said that the project will achieve charitable status
in late March and he urges anyone interested to 
"come along and see us and chat about  what we have got planned"




February 21st 2008.

An email from Clive Hughes of Sheringham in Norfolk is reproduced below. He gives some detail about the 
North Wales Radio Land Cruise trains which Gwenda of Pwllheli had asked for below (February 19th 2008).

Many thanks Clive for your response and thanks also for some of the wonderful memories
you relate in your email.


Re the enquiry from Gwenda on the North Wales Radio Land Cruise trains.

I suggest she tracks down a book called ‘Locomotive Headboards – The Complete Story’ by Dave Peel. (on Amazon for £16.50).

I borrowed it from my local library here in Norfolk a few weeks ago.

A superb book with lots of details about the North Wales Radio Land Cruise trains and other North Wales named trains. It includes dates pictures and a brief background to the route and rolling stock used.  Another highlight is some paragraphs on the launch of the ‘Welsh Dragon’ complete with young girls in Welsh costume standing under the smokebox of a 412xxx at Rhyl.

I was brought up in Mochdre and spent most summer holidays between 1957-61 trainspotting at the Station Road bridge next to the Abattoir.  I remember the NWRLC train coming through and with its mixture of carriage stock and unusual locos was worth seeing for a 10 year just starting to get to grips with an Ian Allan.

What reminds me most of the NWRLC was a double headed GWR 2251 class – never seen before (or since !) passing through and heading for the Junction late in the day.  In the book I refer to, there is picture of 2x2251’s at Pwllheli (if I recall correctly) at the end of a trip. Is it the trip I saw I ask?

Other specials worth looking out for was ‘The Snowdonian’ which always had a 6H Bangor tank taking the train back to Rhyl around 7pm.

The Irish Mail, the 11.07 and 10’o clock flyer (through the Bay), and Emerald Isle Express, about 8.50am – just before going into school at Brompton Avenue bridge are lovely memories.

My other memory and a confession. Acquiring the 6G shed plate off 40635 when on the scrap line which my mum later threw in the skip when we moved house. I was in my teens and girls were more important !

Regards and thanks for the wonderful memories from your regularly visited website.

Clive Hughes     Sheringham Norfolk



February 19th 2008.

An email appeal, from Gwenda of Pwllheli, asking for any information on the Rail Land Cruise trains
of the 1950's is reproduced below. Gwenda worked in the buffet car of these trains and would like any information on them. I must admit I hadn't heard of these trains but they must have been a great
 attraction for tourists.

If anyone can help please send your emails through the link on the HOMEPAGE. (Geoff)



Hello Geoff, this is a shot in the dark, hope you won't mind me writing to you.

  I wonder if you would have any information going back around the 1956/57 era, a Land Cruise running from Pwllheli to Rhyl via Barmouth, Bala, Corwen, etc, and home along the coast after approx a two hour stop in Rhyl? ... I used to work in the buffet car on those cruises, I think they ran on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I remember that I did two seasons on this Land Cruise, I'd be about15 then, a lifetime ago!  ....  I'm looking for maybe a program sheet of the Land Cruise, anything really, or the exact years in which they ran. It was indeed happy times and a great trip up to Rhyl. I wish I was able to trace the girl who did the commentary on the trips, she used to come up in Criccieth, unfortunately I cannot remember her name. The train drivers I'm sure are no longer with us but one or two of the fireman might still be around somewhere.

  Much appreciated should you have any info, I live in Pwllheli.  Thank you!



February 20th 2008

Another email from Gwenda, received after I published the above email, is reproduced below which gives a little more information about the Land Cruise trains and also clarifies the dates when she worked as probably the early sixties not the mid-fifties as previously stated. Gwenda has also sent in a British Railways poster which publicizes the trains but unfortunately it is very small and all my efforts to enlarge it, enough to make it readable, have failed so I have decided not to publish it.

Hi again Geoff, thanks for getting back to me. I'm trying to remember when it was that I actually worked on these cruises, at first I thought it was the mid 50's, but probably it was a bit later around 1960/61. I wonder how many years they actually ran for. Yes indeed they were very popular with holidaymakers and locals alike, many would board the train at the Butlins Holiday camp just outside Pwllheli, it was a most enjoyable run a great day out I think. Be great if anyone has any literature to show. Unfortunately I cannot enlarge the one below >>

  Many thanks Geoff :)    Gwenda




February 13th 2008.

Andrew Laws, of the LMS Patriot Project, tells me that the formal launch of the project will take place at the 
Llangollen railway's Spring Gala between April 18th and April 20th 2008.

The Patriot Project website has published the details which are reproduced below.



The Patriot Gala - Llangollen Railway, 18th - 20th April 2008

The LMS Patriot Project is pleased to announce 'The Patriot Gala' at the Llangollen Railway. The three day event will take place during the Llangollen Spring Gala starting on Friday 18th April.

The LMS Patriot Project will formally be launched at Llangollen and supporters are invited to make regular contributions to the project - the first LMS newbuild. The new Patriot will be assembled at the Llangollen Railway Works so it is appropriate that the first public gala takes place at the Llangollen Railway. The Spring Gala will have an LMS theme honouring the missing Fowler engine. Visiting LMS engines are expected to include 4F 0-6-0 no. 44222 and Stanier 2-6-0 no. 42968. Llangollen based 'Black 5' no. 44806 should also be in steam together with other engines from the home fleet.

A number of artefacts associated with Patriots or items that will be used for the project will be on display including the recently discovered chimney pattern, a driving wheel pattern, newly cast smokebox number plate and Patriot nameplates. Patriot photographs and paintings will also be exhibited.

The LMS Patriot Project invites all LMS and Patriot supporters to the event which promises to be a great weekend for all steam enthusiasts. We will provide updates and further information soon! But in the meanwhile please keep the weekend of 18th - 20th April free and we look forward to seeing you at Llangollen!



January 31st 2008.

I published an email appeal from Ken Passmore on December 22nd 2007 asking for any information on an email contributor to this site named Austin R Rimmer who was a school friend of Ken's who he was trying to contact. Due to a computer crash in 2004 I had lost the email address of Austin so I posted the appeal for help.
Ken has done some research and it would seem that sadly, Austin Rimmer is now deceased.

Below are the emails from Ken and my replies to him.


Email received December 18th 2007
You'll probably guess from my email address that my father was Reg Passmore, a fireman, passed fireman and finally a driver who worked in the Junction for 42 years. It was obviously as a result of his influence that I was a keen trainspotter spending many hours at the bridge over the railway at the bottom of Queen's Road. The highlight of the day was the 11.17(?) train from Holyhead to Euston which was invariably driven by a named engine. We had to be there to see that as often as we could. If it rained my friend (Jeffrey Price) had a pigeon hut on a railway allotment opposite the station. My father had an allotment next to the signal box so that was also a good spot to watch the trains from.
I've looked at your web pages a few times but I've only just seen an email sent to you in April 2004 from an old school friend, Austin Rimmer, who talks about his Taid who worked at 6G. I would very much like to get in touch with him and was wondering if you still had his email address. If so could you either let me know what it is or send him my email address and tell him that I would like to get in touch with him.
Ken Passmore


Email sent December 22nd 2007

Hi Ken, Thanks for your email. Unfortunately I had a complete computer crash in late 2004 and I lost a lot of data including Austin Rimmer's email address. However I will publish your email on the NEWSPAGE in the hope that he sees it and makes contact. I will let you know if we have any success.
Regards Geoff.



Email received January 30th 2008

Hi Geoff
Thanks for your reply.
I did a search and found your account of my email. However I also found using Google an account from Kent University which announced the death of a number of old students including one named Austin R Rimmer. I have subsequently confirmed that Austin did in fact go to Kent University and his middle name is Richard. It seems very unlikely that this is just coincidence and it looks as if I should have started my search a few years earlier.
Thanks anyway.


Email sent January 30th 2008

Hi Ken,
Thanks for your email.
It would appear that your enquiries have resulted in the conclusion that the Austin R Rimmer who was at Kent University is probably your old school friend who emailed this site in April 2004 and is now probably sadly deceased.
What a sad end to your search.
Many thanks for this information, 

Regards Geoff.


Just after I sent this reply to Ken Passmore, by a strange coincidence I received the following email from Brian Jones, who was Austin Rimmer's cousin,  and he confirms that Austin passed away in 2006.


Hi Geoff,

I’ve just read an email in the news section from Ken Passmore asking to be put in touch with Austin Rimmer. My cousin was called Austin Rimmer whose parents were Mildred and Jack, both now deceased, and lived in Llandudno Junction. He went to John Bright Grammar School in Llandudno. If this is the same Austin Rimmer, he passed away very suddenly about 2 years (ish) ago at his home near London. If this isn’t the same one then I apologize, so if you could pass on this information to Ken Passmore for his benefit.

Keep up the good work with the site.

With thanks

Brian Jones



January 29th 2008.

Another email from Terry Jones is reproduced below. Thanks for the contact Terry and I am glad the 
website provides some memories from your past. This was the original aim of this site and that objective
still remains today. I hope someone can remember your father in law, from those days at 6G, and maybe
 provide some detail which I can pass on to you.

I have visited your site many times now, looking at the old photo’s of steam from those heady days of the 60s in and around 6G and North Wales.  I view this site as a Time Portal to the past with information regarding the movement of steam locomotives clearly logged, that at the time as a train spotter from that time in the early 60s I did not know. I wish also to add my father in law worked at 6G from 1961 having moved from Gloucester to live in Llandudno at that time.  He was called Sydney Budd a Carriage and Wagon repairer who would visit many depots fixing Rolling stock between Chester and Holyhead. Sid retired in the early 80s and lives not far from us here in Chester. I wonder if former colleagues on this site can recall my father in law who also worked on the rail wagons at Llanberis Hydro Electric Dam.  


Terry Jones




January 24th 2008.

An email from Terry Jones is reproduced below. Thanks for the memories Terry.

I came across an e mail on your 6G website, which caught my eye regarding Roy Harris’s (reply July 07) regarding Conwy station and goods trains, and especially two loco’s 44525 and 44389.  On our Holidays during school  I would visit Bryn Morfa on Conwy Morfa around 1960-62 to watch these steam trains shunting  goods wagons  just after the 11.17 Holyhead Irish Mail would go thundering through the morfa. Sometimes these fowler Tankers I saw uncoupled wagons near to San Parry’s bridge, leave goods wagon’s on the main line and would collect scrap metal from  Sean Hughes’s scrap yard using a spur line on the Morfa then couple up to the rest of the train and move on to Penmaenmawr afterwards. We used to sit on a small bridge very close to the Railway line as the loco’s would draw level with the bridge many a time we would see the fireman/driver having a large mug of tea. I did notice at that time 44525 would do one day working  and the next it would be 44389 but both these loco’s were from 6G.    

Yes, happy memories watching these work horses of steam trains during my childhood days.

Terry Jones.



January 14th 2008.


The group announced that of the 100-plus names suggested to them, the five below have been drawn up as a short list. They wanted to maintain the patriotic link with the original engines, but also consider something memorable and relevant today. Project leader David Bradshaw told Steam Railway magazine that they wanted to carry on the original spirit of the class and it would be nice if the locomotive could effectively act as a memorable mobile memorial.




Votes should be sent to the project by February 10th 2008 using one of the following methods.

By email:   lms-patriot@hotmail.co.uk 

By post:     Via Steam Railway. More details on the project can be found at  http://www.lms-patriot.org.uk/ 


The Patriot Project is to be formally launched at the Llangollen Railway's Spring Gala.

The event will have an LMS theme to honour the 'missing' Fowler engine.




January 11th 2008.

I have just received this email from John Kirwood in which he clarifies the details regarding the engine arrangers book given to him by 6G driver Tommy Hughes (Tommy Bodorgan) and below this email, is my reply.

        There is some confusion about the engine arrangers book, it was the Llandudno not the junction arrangers book, used weekends during the summer timetable and the busy times, Bank Holidays. etc.  At present the book is doing its rounds with my old mates from 6G who are all eager to study and digest with relish its content. I think that a lot of forgotten memories will be jogged by its perusal.

Regards John.


Hi John, Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression it was the Junction but even so, as you say, it still holds a lot of unique local interest and after your mates have passed it back to you I would be happy to pick it up from you to copy detail for the site if you are agreeable. I think it would reach a wide and very appreciative audience. I know that I would love to turn the pages of all that history. What do you think?
Regards Geoff.




January 10th 2008.

An email from ex-6G worker John Kirwood is reproduced below in which he offers some answers and detail on the query posed by Gwyn Griffiths of Crewe, who's email was published on this page on December 18th 2007.


Gwyn Griffith's request dated 18.12.2007,about the identity of  the others in the photo with his father, namely Meirion,  Bryn,  Len,  Idris  and John.   I could help here, but without looking at the picture I cannot be positive. 


Meirion Davies, son of Stan Davies a driver at the junction, Meirion was a passed cleaner at the junction and was the fireman on the crab at Penmaenmawr when it was hit by Scot 46119 on the Irish Mail. Meirion had just left the crab before the accident. The crab driver Ellis Griffith Roberts was injured in the accident.  Meirion left the railway some time after.  


Bryn Owen was a shed man, he came from the Llanrwst/Trefriw area, he sadly passed away a few years ago.


L.M.Evans, started on the railway 31.12.1945,and was the last man promoted to driver during the steam era, he sadly passed away 1985 or 1986.

There was an Idris who was a shed man at that time, he left the railway when the shed shut.


          There were three named "John's" at this time, all in the footplate grade.

          J.T.Roberts(John Gyffin) started 6.10.47,

          J.Owen  started 12.4.48,

          J Thomas started 8.8.49

The last two Johns were six footers, with J.T. Roberts quite a bit shorter, all had started a little later than O.L.Griffiths who started on the railway on 27.5.47, J.Owen passed away a few years ago.

That's the best I can do.

Regards John.



December 23rd 2007.

I have just received this interesting email from Ken Passmore who's father was Reg Passmore, a 6G driver 
and fireman for 42 years. Ken has related some of his memories and has asked if I could put him in touch with Austin Rimmer who emailed into the site in April 2004 as he was a school friend of Ken's and he would like to make contact with him. Unfortunately, as I explained to Ken, I had a complete computer crash late 2004 and I lost a lot of data including my email address book which contained Austin Rimmer's email address. So if you read this Austin please get in touch with me and I will put you in touch with Ken.


You'll probably guess from my email address that my father was Reg Passmore, a fireman, passed fireman and finally a driver who worked in the Junction for 42 years. It was obviously as a result of his influence that I was a keen trainspotter spending many hours at the bridge over the railway at the bottom of Queen's Road. The highlight of the day was the 11.17(?) train from Holyhead to Euston which was invariably driven by a named engine. We had to be there to see that as often as we could. If it rained my friend (Jeffrey Price) had a pigeon hut on a railway allotment opposite the station. My father had an allotment next to the signal box so that was also a good spot to watch the trains from.
I've looked at your web pages a few times but I've only just seen an email sent to you in April 2004 from an old school friend, Austin Rimmer, who talks about his Taid who worked at 6G. I would very much like to get in touch with him and was wondering if you still had his email address. If so could you either let me know what it is or send him my email address and tell him that I would like to get in touch with him.
Ken Passmore


December 19th 2007.

An email from David Hughes, thanking John Kirwood for the information he sent regarding the 6G
coaling stage (see below) and my original email to David.


My email to David.
Hi David, I have just received this email from ex-6G worker John Kirwood (see December 18th 2007 below)
in response to your appeal for detail on 6G's coaling stage for your modelling project.
I hope this helps.
Regards Geoff.
David's reply.(December 19th 2007)
Thanks for e-mail, please thank John for the information. I will check out the Library. A chap called Eric Sawford has some photo books in print which show snippets of 6G, besides the locos the interesting parts include the b/down crane, b/down coaches and ex-LNWR tenders used for sludge, some with LMS showing through the paint in 1963. Hope the extra info is useful for anyone else looking into the history of 6G.
Thank you again
David Hughes 





December 18th 2007.

An email from John Kirwood is reproduced below, in response to the request for detail on the 6G coaling stage by David Hughes published on this page on August 21st 2007.


There is an excellent picture of the Bletchley coalhole on page 44 of the LMS 150 book by Patrick Whitehouse and David St John Thomas.  To me it looks very similar to the 6G coalhole.
The hole in the sidewall was never used for coaling engines. This was where the coalmen used to lean
out of during the quieter
moments with their woodbines. It sometimes was very smoky in the coalhole;
the sidewall hole was a great aid for ventilation.

The engine line through the coalhole was on the same level as the ashpit line. 
The coal wagons line was on a higher
level, with the tops of the 16 ton coal wagons being nearly
level with the tender tops, which made the coalman’s job a little!! easier.

Its unbelievable looking back to those far off days how many tons of coal a man could shift in a working day.

Hope this helps David Hughes.




December 18th 2007.

An email from Gwyn Griffiths of Crewe is reproduced below. Thanks for your contact Gwyn. As regards the 6G engine arrangers book you mention,  I agree it would be great if we could get some of the detail published and I have suggested this to John Kirwood and I will pass on your comments to him and see what he thinks.


Been on your excellent site again - couple of points:
a) fascinated by the discovery of the Engine Arrangers Book for the Junction.  Can we get it published?  There's a book I would buy.  I remember my father coming home from work (around 1963-64), if he had been on a shed turn, with a list of locos to be dealt with - written on a paper towel!  Would that we had kept them !!!!!  And Tommy Bodorgan was certainly a well-known name in our family!
b) came across a photo - not good enough for reproduction - showing a group of 6G cleaners in the early 1950s.  They are identified as:
Owen (my father, Owen Lloyd Griffiths)
Anybody care to suggest who the others might be?






December 1st 2007.

Brian Roberts emailed in to this site on Mach 28th 2005 asking if anybody could provide actual locomotive numbers that went through Chester on certain dates in 1961. I published the request on this NEWSPAGE
not thinking at the time that there would be a chance after all these years. I am glad to say I was wrong, as I have just received the following detail from Ex 6G worker John Kirwood who unbelievably has acquired the Engine Arrangers book from 6G which was filled in by 6G drivers and given to John Kirwood by one of these
men, T.A Hughes nickname (Tommy Bodorgan).

Many thanks to both of you.

John's email is reproduced below.



                      Request dated March 28 2005 from Brian Roberts. The following might be a little help for him.


                                   DOWN  TRAINS'    SATURDAY 29th  July  1961.


          45524  7.8am  ex  Wigan,   1D01.               45521  7.15am ex Liverpool   1D02

          44838  6.50am  ex  Walsall  1D03,              45060  6.55am  ex Cheadle   1D05

          44907  7.42am  ex  L/Pool  2D70                44830  5.20am  ex Leicester  1D07

          42714  7.52am  ex  Manchester 1D08        45058  7.10am  ex Stafford    1D13

          42857  8.45am  ex  M/Chester  1D15         45603  6.30am  ex  Leamington  1D18

          45072  7.47am  ex Birmingham  1D17       45385  9.23am  ex Stoke   1D23

          45307  9.5am  ex L.Pool     1D20                73096  9.30am  ex M/Chester  1D21

          45114  8.35am  ex B/ham  1D25                 45304  9.45am  ex M/Chester  1D28

          92049  8.50am  ex  Derby  1D30                 44862  10.30am  ex L/Pool  1D33

          42926  8.4am  ex  Leicester  1D36              73126  10.20am  ex M/Chester  1D35

          45645  8.50am  ex  Leeds  1M47                 92008  9.27am  ex  Derby  1D38

          44741  9.3am  ex  Leeds  1M48                   46163  11.10am  ex  M/Chester  1D44

          42771  9.45am  ex  Bradford  1M90             45438  8.23am  ex  Cardiff  1M67

          45149  11.37am  ex  M/Chester  1D45         48618   10.37am  ex  Shefield  1M65

          45592  9.18am  ex  Euston  1D50                 45382  12/40pm  ex  L/Pool   2D70

          44987  1/58pm  ex Crewe   1D57                  45417  1/34pm  ex  M/Chester1D53

          45069   1/55pm  ex  M/Chester  1D55          42810   11.18am  ex  Euston   1D57

          73070  3/2pm  ex  Crewe  1D58                    44742  3/15pm  ex  M.Chester



In addition to the above, the following were specials , the departure times were not recorded, 
but they would
have passed through Chester during the morning and/or into the afternoon
on their way to Llandudno.


          45051  ex  Smethwick  1Z09                         42849  ex  Walsall  1D00

          45071  ex  B/ham    1Z12                               45139  ex  Coventry  1Z11

          42776  ex  Derby  1T07                                  45113  ex  Northhampton  1Z63

          73096  ex  Stechford  1Z18                            48346  ex  W /ath ??  1Z62

          48407  ex  Barnsley   1Z63                             44715  ex  Coventry  1Z15

          75032  ex  Warrington  1Z39


All the above engines would have been serviced at the Llandudno facilities  where an Engine  Arranger was in charge usually Drivers Meurig Roberts or T.A.Hughes (Tommy Bodorgan)  At Llandudno there was a  turntable, water column, pits,and a few wagons of coal and of course a cabin for the staff which included a coalman, firedropper and a set or two of enginemen..Everybody did their best to get the engines serviced and ready
for their return jobs.

                               UP TRAINS FROM LLANDUDNO. Saturday 29th  July  1961



          44679  8.5am  To  Bradford  1N85,                        44728  8.45am  to  Leicester  1F15

          46110  9.5am  to Euston   1A25                             45198   9.15am  to  Newcastle  1N82

          45043  9.22am  to  Leamington  1B13                   44742   9.45am  to  Manchester  1C61

          46140  10.0am  to Euston  1A28                            46115  10.7am  to   Liverpool   1K13

          44842  10.15am  to  Derby  1P17                           44917  10.30am  to  M/Chester  1C65

          73093   10.42am  to  Cardiff  1V56                         45430  11.0am  to  L/Pool   1K16

          44740   11.15am  to  Sheffield  1E20                      61151  11.30am  to  Sheffield  1E21

          45524  11.50am  to  M/Chester  1J03                     45521   12/20pm  to  Euston   1A36

          44830   12/55pm   to  Leicester   1F04                   45247   1/5pm  to  Euston  1A43

          45060  1/20pm  to Derby  1P19                              45139  1/40pm  to  Derby  1P21

          73096/45304cpld  2/0pm  to M/Chester 1C82      45114/92049cpld  2/50  to  Birmingham  1G27

          45149  3/38  to  M/Chester  1C86                           45307  4/40 pm to  Chester  

          92008  5/10pm  to Stoke  1H64                               73126  5/30pm  to  M/Chester   1C89

          42771  6/45pm  to  M/Chester  1C93                      45259  7/0pm  to  B/Head  1D98

          44987  7/20pm  to Crewe  1K84                              42810  7/45pm  to M/Chester  182.




          42967  10.22am to  Bacup   1Z82                            42776  12/40pm to  Hadfield  1Z80

          45321  1/0pm  to Glasgow    1X93                           46114   1/54pm  to  Glasgow   1X94

          45603   2/35pm  to  Coventry  3Z35                         44715  4/0pm  to Soho Sidings  3Z36

          45071  4.35pm  to  Vauxhall   3Z37                          45113  6/0pm  to Northhampton  3Z38

          45051  6/33pm  to  Soho  Sds  3Z43                        45058  7/10  to  Coventry   3Z39

          42926  8/0pm  to  Stoke   3Z44                                 48407  L.E. Chester.


Hopefully some of the above numbers will jog Brian Robert’s memory back to that
Saturday in 1961.


By the way, I started as a cleaner on 24th July 1961 at Llandudno Junction shed. On the Friday 28.7.61 my job was to scrape off the paper numbers off the metal headboards and paste on the new numbers , then line all the headboards  along the inside shed wall in a sort of numerical order. The numbers were made waterproof by the simple method of coating them with  glue.


All the above train and engine numbers obtained from T.A.Hughes (Tommy Bodorgan's) Engine Arrangers book Llandudno, which Tommy has kindly given me.

John Kirwood.



November 15th 2007.


Because of the many memories we all have of the Patriot's running along the North Wales coast main line and 
the links with 6G plus the several engines in the class named after areas of North Wales, this website wholeheartedly supports the LMS Patriot Project. We will be publishing progress reports of the project and any news items as they become available.

Steam Railway magazine (November 2007) announced a competition to name the "new build" Patriot.
There is a link to the LMS Patriot Project website on the LINKS page. 

The text below is taken from the projects website explaining the details of the competition.

LMS Patriot to be named by public and nameplate to be won - November 2007

The November 2nd edition of 'Steam Railway' magazine included a story where readers were asked to decide the identity of the new Patriot. Three nameplates will be made with one going to the competition winner and two eventually fitted to the locomotive. Some names were allocated to Patriots but were never carried and as David Bradshaw said, "There may be others that no-one has ever thought of before".

Readers are asked to send in their ideas along with any donations to the LMS Patriot Project.




November 6th 2007.

An email from Geoff Owen is reproduced below with an appeal for any information on the line through Abergele, Pensarn, Towyn and Rhyl. Although Geoff has nothing to submit to 6G he has still taken the time to relate some of his memories which I know will bring it all back to many site visitors. I just wish more would follow his example as I have said many times these little anecdotes and personal memories of the wonderful steam days are appreciated and understood by so many of us. 
Many thanks for the contact Geoff.

Hi Geoff,
            Nothing to submit to your site, but what I would like is your help if possible on information about  Abergele and Pensarn station and the stretch of track from the station down through Towyn to Rhyl. I ask this because, as a young boy in the late fifties and early sixties, i have fond memories of staying in Towyn on holiday at Millers Cottage, and on numerous occasions running up onto the footbridge to be engulfed in steam and smoke from a passing loco. We still visit Towyn today and I take my grandson on to the same bridge and tell him about the times grandad spent there watching the trains. Unfortunately it is not the same today as there are no Black fives or class 40s going under the bridge, but I can still think about those times when we stand there, with a smile on my face.
Any help would be gratefully received, keep up the good work on the site, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Regards Geoff Owen.
p.s. Just returned from a short trip to Llandudno, and paid a visit to the site of the old 6g shed. 
Hard to believe something so grand once stood there...





October 19th 2007.

An interesting email from Steve Davis is reproduced below. Thanks for the contact Steve.

Hello Geoff,
Thanks for an interesting website. I was introduced to it by a link on the Llandudno Enthusiasts Forum.
My Father John 'Concho' Davies worked as a fitter at 6G in the 50's & 60's. He served his apprenticeship in Crewe works, and he also worked in the Rhyl sheds for a time.
He still lives in Llandudno but unfortunately does not have a computer. I remember him showing me an old photograph of him and his co-workers re-railing a steam loco after a cat had become stuck in the points at the Junction. Maybe I could get him to send you a copy?
                                                        Regards, Steve.




October 18th 2007.

An email from 6G website visitor Gwyn Griffiths is reproduced below which gives a possible answer to the query posed by John Powell's postcard "find" published on this page on May 30th 2007.

Been browsing your excellent site again.
On News 30 May 2007 there's a photograph of an LNWR building promoting holidays in N Wales, and a request for help in identification.
I wonder if it was a promotional "stand" at an exhibition of some sort. There were certainly similar stands at events like the 1920s British Empire Exhibition.
Gwyn Griffiths

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September 30th 2007.

An email from John Kirwood is reproduced below in which he fills in some detail requested by Steve Morris
(31/08/07) regarding his request for any information on the class 05 diesel shunters that were allocated to 6G
between 1965-1967. As John points out there is a picture of one of these engines (D2607) in the Norman Kneale 
gallery (6).

Many thanks for the details John.

When the 05 shunting diesels came to the Junction, steam was still around.  There is a picture of one of them in the Norman Kneale galleries inside Junction shed alongside a real engine.   The class 05 were not liked, they were weak and had manual gearing.  The men preferred steam.  In Llandudno 6G they were used for shunting in the yard, also used on the morning Llandudno goods.  Another job for them was the morning Abergele /Rhyl trip.  They sometimes went to Rhyl for shunting duties , the drivers remember with great amusement that it took about 90 minutes to get there. Their maximum speed was 6 or 7 miles an hour...It's a known fact that one of the shunting link drivers at that time burnt the clutch out on one of them in the yard at the junction. Driver H.E.Roberts remembers going to Mostyn with them a few times , to do some work on the sea wall, this would have been on Sundays every 4 or so weeks. He remembers Curly(J.H.W.Jones) as his mate.    As regards  their allocation at Holyhead,  they would have been too weak to pull the stock from the station up the bank, so they might have been used for freight shunting in the area.  They could have also been used on the Holyhead breakwater, which was token used. I don't know much about that line.   Hope this is of use to Steve Morris... 
Regards,  John Kirwood.




September 5th 2007.

An email from Chris Evans and an appeal for information is reproduced below. If anyone can help Chris please email me at geoff@poole57.freeserve.co.uk 


Hello Geoff

I've just been browsing your website again and enjoyed Jim Fenton's spotting memories 
from not long after my own holiday recollections.

One subject which is rarely mentioned is the variety of DMUs which appeared in the late 1950s and early 60s.  After the original Derby 'Lightweights' appeared in 1956 a succession of the later varieties appeared and there were many re-allocations in the years between 1959 and 1962.  Also, some services which were worked by DMUs, such as the 'Welsh Dragon' between Rhyl and Llandudno (which I believe holds the record as BR's shortest distance regular named-train route) and the Amlwch branch services occasionally reverted to steam haulage.

I wonder whether any of your regular correspondents - or indeed web-browsers - have any record of which units were running from Llandudno Junction in the summer of 1961?  I know that many spotters of the day recorded only steam loco numbers but maybe somebody at that time made a note of DMU numbers too, so that they could underline them in their ABCs!

Any help would be most welcome as I am replacing some of my DMUs on my model railway layout with Bachmann Class 108s which have recently been introduced - there are a couple of photos of them (amongst the steam ones!) on my layout website: www.llandudnojunction.fotopic.net     if anybody is interested.

Keep up the good work!

Chris Evans






August 21st 2007.

An email from Roy Harris is reproduced below thanking John Kirwood for his help with the queries about the Conway goods yard which were published on August 15th 2007 on this page.

Hi Geoff,
Many thanks for your message.
I am very grateful for John's comments.   They are very informative and just the sort of information I was looking for.   Instead of aimlessly running the latest model up and down, I can now envisage the poor model crew standing soaking in their cab as they head out up the coast.  
I haven't got around to smaller details like signals yet, but will bear it in mind about the yellow one.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to thank John for sharing his insights
I haven't forgotten that I promised to take some photos of the layout.   Thought it would be a good idea to paint the castle, at least in undercoat, before doing so.   Then we went on holiday and last week I was preparing another layout for a small local exhibition.   http://www.freewebs.com/cheshirerailwaymodellers/roy.htm if you are interested, but it has nothing to do with North Wales!  
Incidentally, I was just flicking through "North Wales Steam Vol. 2" before sending this, and found a picture of 44525 at 6G in January '62.   How appropriate!






August 21st 2007.

An email from Steve Morris who is working on a book covering diesel locomotive operation across 
the North Wales Coast from 1960 onwards is reproduced below. 
Steve would appreciate any information on the subject.
Please email me on the usual link at the foot of the HOMEPAGE if you can help


Hello Geoff
First of all, a great site. Plenty of interesting reading here!
I am working on a book covering Diesel locomotive operation across the North Wales Coast from 1960 onwards.
One area I am struggling with is the allocation of class 05's to Llandudno Junction shed, numbers 2603-2607 between 1965 and 1967. Several were also allocated to Holyhead during this time but what they did there, if anything seems a mystery.
Do you have any information on this. In particular, did they actually carry out any useful work ? Also, I am looking for an image of one to include in the book but struggling to find one. Anything concerning these loco's would be appreciated.
Hope you are able to help
Many thanks
Steve Morris





August 21st 2007.

An email from Bob Ellison and my reply are reproduced below.


Could you please tell me if steam trains still run from Chester/Crewe to Llandudno Junction?
I remember seeing the Duchess of Hamilton going through Abergele, what a wonderful sight, it brought back many happy memories.
Thank you
Bob Ellison

Hi Bob, there are still a few special trains that run on the North Wales coast line, hauled by steam, each year. Unfortunately there are no more planned for this year but if you keep an eye on the 
  any changes this year  will be reported on here. 
However this site will keep you informed about future specials in 2008.
Regards Geoff Poole. 






August 21st 2007.

An email from David Hughes of Colwyn Bay is reproduced below, appealing for information on the 
coaling stage at 6G for a modelling project he is undertaking, plus any information on one of the 
Land Cruise Trains "The Welsh Chieftain".
If anyone can help please email me through the email link at the foot of the HOMEPAGE.


Dear Geoff
Please can I use your excellent web site to ask for information for a couple of modelling projects I am gathering information for.
First is the coal hole at 6G. Does anyone have a photo of the side facing the carriage shed that I can have so that I can count the bricks? Was the opening in that wall still used to coal wagons? as the tilting platform does not appear to be in position, if it had one c1960 that is. Was the track through the coal hole lower than the track with the ashpit? or is it the ash piled against the raised road that makes it appear that way.
There are a few photos of the coal hole in print but none show the sides clearly.
Second is one of the Land Cruise trains, The Welsh Chieftain. This train used ex LMS stock with the ex Devon Belle observation coach bringing up the rear. Can anyone help with the number of the buffet coach and photos of both sides as running c1960. Books by Bill Rear have some photos but none are side on. From what I can gather so far the coaches were converted at Eastliegh in the mid 50s from ex LMS or LNWR coaches.
Any costs will be reimbursed.     
David Hughes
Colwyn Bay




August 15th 2007.

I published an email on July 1st 2007, on the NEWSPAGE , from Roy Harris of Conway who is building a working model of Conway station. Roy appealed for some answers to his questions regarding the movement of freight in and around the Conway area during the steam days, in the hope that someone could answer his queries.
I am glad to say that I have just received the email, reproduced below from ex-BR fireman John Kirwood, which answers Roy's queries. Many thanks John.


                          During the early sixties, there was a Penmaenmawr job in what was known as the accommodation link at Llandudno Junction 6G.   There were four weeks work in the link, the Pen job being one.   This link was a drivers application link, open only to drivers from the top link when a vacancy occurred.   Obviously, should no top link driver apply, others could apply for the job.  The firemen marked in this link were the four senior Passed Firemen.  These chaps were usually marked up driving, so the senior Passed Cleaners were more often than not firing in this link .  This job did not come my way often I'm happy to say, I remember going tender first light engine to Pen, the weather cold and wet.  The guard riding with us, I  remember two , Bob sailor and a chap called Crewsome.  There was no stop in Conway on the way to Pen.  Pen sidings were shunted, then a trip to Llanfairfechan where more shunting took place.  A return trip to Pen and more shunting there.  Eventually the pick up left Pen and made its way to Conway yard, where more shunting took place.  This Conway yard was a busy little place, with two coal dealers working from there as well as other merchants. This would account for the many coal wagons there.   The engines used for this job  were  44525  or  44389, most of the time. We used to arrive back at the Junction about mid-day.   As far as I can remember Conway up yard was only entered from the up line.   Another interesting bit,  the dummy signal for leaving the yard was a yellow one, allowing us out of the yard to the Llandudno Junction home signal.   We were relieved a short time after arriving at the Junction by a set of men from the same link who were on the afternoon Abergele trip job     Hope this will be of use to Roy Harris.      John Kirwood, 




July 28th 2007.

I have just received an email from John Kirwood correcting my description of him (below) as a "driver"
instead of a fireman.
Sorry about the error John.

Geoff,    Thanks for the reply,  A  small error ,I notice you promoted me to driver!! I was only a fireman, I left the railway late 1968 to join the North Wales Police, and am now retired, spending my leisure time firing and guarding  at Llangollen.




July 28th 2007.

An email just received from ex- BR driver John Kirwood with some information on ex-BR driver 
R.V.Jones nickname "Bob Bychan" is reproduced below. Thanks for the email John. I'm sure his grandson, Tony Crowther, will appreciate the memories as many others will, including me. Great stuff John!


Dear Geoff,    Just had a laptop, found your site, great.   Saw Tony Crowther's request about his grandfather R V J ones ( Bob Bychan )   Bob came to the Junction in 1963 together with a number of other loco men when Rhyl shed shut.    I was his fireman on a summer's Saturday 1963 or 1964.  We worked a train to Crew with relief on the platform the train going on to where I don't remember.  Our booked return working was the 4/25pm Bangor train which we would have had to prepare the engine on Crewe North shed.   However on this day the train was extended to start from Euston.   This meant we had plenty of time to enjoy Crewe town!!    Back at the station later our train ran in a little late.   The engine was 45512 ( BUNSEN ) with 14 on. As we walked down the platform towards the engine, the cockney crew were leaving the engine, making their way for the footbridge passing us in a rush to catch their ride on the cushions home to Euston.    Bob said to me " It looks like we're in for a rough trip kid."   We boarded the engine, water and pressure were down, Bob was right the cockney's hadn't done very well.    No matter, Bob was a good mate.   We soon had the right away and off we went.   On arrival at Chester a chappie was waiting at the platform end ,and requested a smoke effect.    He then made his way on to the track and towards no 4 Box.    Away we went from Chester with Bob and myself leaning out of the cab of 45512 and smiling at the camera which was on a large tripod by no 4 signal box.     To date I have not seen the picture.   I 'm not certain, but the chappie could have been Eric Treacy.     Maybe you can pass this info. to Tony Crowther.     Regards John Kirwood ex BR .  




July 26th 2007.

An email from David Jones is reproduced below. Glad 6G brought back some memories for you David.

My late father David Cyril Jones (nicknamed Davey Crockett) who was a guard at Bangor station for many years often took me as a young lad on many trips up an down North Wales line during the late 70-80s. 
Enjoyed your site, brought back some good memories seeing some great photos, liked the sound effects too!
 just like to say well done on a great site, thank you.





July 6th 2007.

Roy Harris has sent in this follow-up email to the two below. He has had some success with his appeal for details about the movement of freight around Conway but there are still some unanswered questions he would like help with.
Please email me through the email link on the HOMEPAGE if you can help.


Hi Geoff,

Thank you for putting my queries on your website.

My apologies for the mix up with my emails.

In reply to your question on the site, I subsequently found one UP and one
DOWN train shown in the June 1965 freight WTT.   Both "Stop as required (R)"
and are as follows:

8D54 SX
      Llandudno Jc  dep.   dep 0530
 R    Conway
0547  arr. Penmaenmawr

At first sight it would appear to be a trip working, although the timing
shown would amplify my original query about how you would get wagons off a
DOWN train into the sidings on the UP side without too much time consuming
running back and forth.

6D15 SX
     Penmaenmawr        dep 0715
 R   Conway
0730 arr. Llandudno Jc  dep 0800
0902 arr. Bagillt       dep 0930
1009 arr. Chester

This raises another question to my inexperienced eye.   Why was a class 6
train originating at Penmaenmawr and running all the way to Chester with so
few stops?   Hardly looks like the sort of pick-up goods I had expected to
call at Conway.

My other questions still remain.   i.e. were the loops in the goods yard
used as such, how you would shunt the wagons and what were all those coal
wagons doing there?

Hoping somebody out there can fill in a bit of background, please.




July 1st 2007.

Two emails from Roy Harris are reproduced below. Roy has built a working model of Conway station and originally asked for some help, from 6G visitors, regarding movement of goods wagons from the sidings. 
After sending the first email appeal he explains, in his second mail, that he has now had his queries answered, but he would appreciate any comments from interested parties.

How about some photo's of your model Roy! I'm sure site visitors would appreciate your endeavors. 
Also it would be helpful if you could email me with the answers that you have now acquired regarding your 
original queries in order for me to publish them on the site.

Thanks for your contact Roy.


Hi again,   (second email)

I finally find somebody to ask all this stuff and minutes later find some of
the answers myself!   However I would still be obliged if any of your
readers have any comments.

Hereafter have rewritten my original - thought it may be easier to cut and
paste.   Sorry for confusion!

Thanks again,



Hi there,
(first email)

Have only just discovered your web site about 6G.   Looks like I have got a
lot of reading to catch up on!

Many years ago my Dad said "Wouldn't The Junction make a good model?".
Main line, two branches, engine shed, seaside and a castle in the
background.   This thought stuck with me for many years until I bought a
house with a spare (railway!) room.   To my great disappointment it was too
small to fit in any meaningful representation of The Junction.

Leafing through my copy of Anderson & Fox "Chester to Holyhead Railway" I
came to Conwy.   A lot less points to buy, nice compact station, a few
sidings (it's still 1960!) and with the town wall behind it I won't have to
spend time making scenery and trees.   (Having spent all winter in a
snowstorm of polystyrene making the walls I'm not so sure now!)

Now I have a series of questions;  I wonder if any of your readers can
assist, please?

According to the June 1965 freight WTT one train each way is booked to call
at Conwy as required.

An article in the December 1981 Model Railways infers that a DOWN train
would cross over, draw into one of the loops within the goods yard and then
run round to shunt.

This seems like a lot of running back and forth.   Is this correct or would
a DOWN train just service the sidings on the DOWN side, keeping wagons for
the UP side for its return trip?

Would an UP train wishing to exchange a few wagons leave the bulk of its
train standing on the main while it shunted or would it be required to clear
the main?   I take it that the headshunt is so short in relation to the
sidings that a loco might have to run out onto the main line and into the
tubular bridge if handling a quantity of wagons?

I had assumed that by the 60's a small station such as this would have had
an almost deserted yard.   However, I have a picture copied from an unknown
book showing the yard with 20+ loaded coal wagons in situ.   Seemed a lot to
me.   Would they have been for delivery to Conwy or would they be stored for
some reason?   If so where are they going from/to?   Incidentally the wagons
pictured would effectively stop anything using those lines to run round.

I wonder if anyone can help clear up these points, please?   It feels so
much more realistic if you can operate the model prototypically.   Having
said that, at times my Conwy does seem to have been allocated its very own
diesel shunter...but it's a nice model and I don't want to leave it in the

Many thanks,





June 10th 2007.

An email from Barry Taylor is reproduced below with a tale to tell from when he was on the footplate.


Good evening Geoff,
Barry Taylor here again (note new e-mail address)
just been looking at the pictures of the Junction Reunion.
Brought back some memories of working with some of them when
I was a Trainman (freight guard) at the Junction.
One small tale to tell comes from driver Vic Thomas, he said to me one early morning on the
Amlwch tanks as we entered the Conwy Tube at about 0400 in the morning,
"This is the worst job in the world" Then on the return journey back
through the Tube at about 10-30 he'd say "This is the best job in the world"
He did have a good point though!!!!


Many thanks for the contact Barry.




Friday June 8th 2007.         [PHOTO'S NOW ON NORTH WALES COAST STEAM PAGE    09/06/2007]

LMS Coronation Class 4-6-2 No. 46233 "Duchess of Sutherland visits the North Wales Coast 
tomorrow (Sat) with,
THE WELSH DRAGON Crewe-Holyhead-Crewe.

She arrives at Llandudno Junction from Crewe at 11.04 takes water and departs at 11.38.

She arrives back at the Junction from Holyhead at 17.46 takes water and departs at 18.12.

I hope to have a photo on the NORTH WALES COAST STEAM page tomorrow evening.(Sat)




June 1st 2007.


The above book by Derek Williams which was published in September 2006 has been a 
tremendous success in such a short time. Below is a news article from the North Wales Weekly News
showing a photo of Derek presenting Marie Bugler , the fundraising coordinator for 
St David's Hospice Llandudno, with a cheque for £300.00 which is part of the proceeds from
the sale of his book. The Railway Pensioners Club have also received a donation.

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May 30th 2007.

John Powell has sent in this old postcard, he picked up at a car boot sale, with no detail or
description of place or date.
Can anyone help with the details?

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( February 1st 2010 )
 John has since discovered that the photo is of the London & North Wales officials and it
was taken at the Royal Lancashire Show in 1909.



May 29th 2007.

An email from Gwyn Griffiths and an appeal for help is reproduced below.
If you can help please email me through the email link on the "HOMEPAGE" and I will contact Gwyn.


I picked up a copy of Norman Kneale's "North Wales Steam Vol.2" (OPC 1986) in the library today, looked at the Crab on the cover, and thought "that driver looks a bit familiar!"
It looks rather like my father, the late Owen Lloyd Griffiths (1924-78), who was a fireman/ passed fireman at 7A/6G from 1947/8 to 1966, when he was promoted to Crewe as a driver.  The photograph is dated Summer 1962 - my father would I suspect have been a passed fireman at that date.
Anybody out there who could offer an opinion ???
Gwyn Griffiths





May 4th 2007.

An email from Russ Jones who is a driver for Arriva Trains is reproduced below. 


Hi Geoff
Somehow today I came across your excellent 6G website, its amazing how much has changed over the years at The Junction and along the coast.
I am a driver for Arriva Trains Wales based in Llandudno Junction, and have heard other drivers/guards telling stories about the past including some of the people that you mention,
Vic Thomas, Les  Nevitt, Gus and others.
My parents somehow knew Vic Thomas and I used to have the odd cabride along the coast in class 45, 47s in the early 1980s
Thanks for the effort that you have put into the site, it really is good.
Russ Jones (Rhyl)






March 3rd 2007.

Alan Roberts has provided the following chart of bridges or crossings on the Llandudno branch line, past and present.

1.        Llandudno Junction crossing (demolished 1968)
1C.     Flyover at Llandudno Junction (new bridge built 1968/69, replacing level crossing at Llandudno Junction)
1A.     Deganwy Station footbridge
1B.     Deganwy level crossing (demolished mid 1970's) [next to signalbox]
2.        Castle Hotel footbridge (original 1866) still in use
2D.     Platt Fields (steel footbridge) [erected 1988]
2C.     Concrete rainbow bridge (located near the former swimming pool) demolished 1978
2B.     Maesdu Bridge (concrete) [erected 1929, to replace a level crossing]
2A.     Culvert beneath the main lines and sidings at Llandudno Junction

As a rule bridges are numbered as e.g. 1.2.3. etc. Any additional bridges built later in between the main numbers often carry the prefix A,B,C, etc.

Alan Roberts.



March 2nd 2007.

An email from previous contributor Alan Morris who is originally from Deganwy but now living and working as a tunnel engineer in Hong Kong.
Thanks for your contact Alan. I look forward to seeing any photo's of the old footbridge at Deganwy if you can find them. Thanks also for your explanation on the "up" and "down" line details.


Hi Geoff
 Some comments on the page at: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/6gparttwo/northwalescoaststeam.htm
> this is the generally accepted view on railways I've worked on around the world (Sydney, China, London, Hong Kong).  They are also often called SB (Southbound), WB etc to confuse one even further.  It gets really tricky when you are cutting a new railway into an existing one and the UP / DN tracks connect into the DN / UP tracks - one has to re-name the lot generally!
"..Great Uncles who were posing on a railway bridge in the Deganwy area (i.e. where they were from) on the way to the Great War...."
> I recall when we lived in Deganwy (I'm 41 so not that long ago I'd add) that there was an old bridge over the Deganwy Station area that had the patchwork steel' type sides to it but if I recall the steps were all in steel / timber whereas the photo shows stone steps at the bottom.  I'm not sure but I've a feeling this old bridge was replaced by a more modern one when Deganwy station was knocked down.  I'm coming to the UK this weekend to work on a railway bid in London (expansion of the East London Line) so will try to find some photos.
Alan Morris
Hong Kong



February 17th 2007.

An email from G. Parry is reproduced below. I sent him the photo by John Powell that appears on the "JOHN POWELL COLLECTION"page on the site. 

Many thanks for your contact and I hope the photo is what you are after.



I was directed to your excellent site via another website. I'm looking for a photo of the old foobridge over the level crossing in Deganwy (By the castle hotel) I was wondering whether you had such a photo
G Parry





January 31st 2007.

I have just received this email reproduced below from Jonathan Parry. Thanks for your contact and kind words Jonathan and I am really pleased your Grandmother enjoyed seeing your Grandad's photo at the reunion. I'm sorry I don't have any photo's of your Grandad or Great Uncle but I would urge you to contact Derek Williams who recently published a book on 6G as he may be able to help you. Derek's details are on the
"DVD, Video and Book" review page on the site.




Just been having a look at your website after a search for my Grandad Reg
Collinson and my Great Uncle Jonny Calvert who both passed away recently,
I was just wondering if you had any pictures of them at all (I found the
one of Reg at the re-union).

May I also say what a wonderful website you have and it made my Grandmothers
day to see the picture of my Grandad

Many Thanks




John Powell has sent me one of his favourite poems and I must admit it conjures up many memories of days long gone for myself also. It is from a book  called "Railway Poems" by Barry Allen published by Finial Publishing.

John has obtained publishing rights for inclusion on the site, so the poem is reproduced below.


Often I sit by the fire and dream,

Remembering my youth and visions of steam,

Days spent in drizzle, sunshine or cold,

Watching my Titans, fiery and bold.

Released by the flames, colours arise and then dance,

With hypnotic effect; I'm soon in a trance.

The hearth becomes a firebox in a moment of time

One minute a Patriot, now a Class Nine,

A Phoenix from ashes, dreams flow and drift on

Claughtons and Scots, where have they all gone?

Jubilee`s and Streaks, rise in the flames

Phantom creations, with long smoking trains.

Barry Allen.



January 26th 2007.

An email from Barry Taylor, a driver at the "Junction" is reproduced below.
Many thanks for the contact Barry.

My name is Barry Taylor I am a driver at Llandudno Junction, cannot wait to read Tom Slavens page,  I worked with him for about five years 1989-1994  when I was a Trainman (freight guard).
we have had many a laugh with his tales of the past. He is still a regular at Llandudno station and always checks to see who the driver is.  



January 26th 2007.

An email from Lorenzo Hughes from North Yorkshire is reproduced below.
Many thanks for your interest Lorenzo.


An excellent site - brings back many memories from spending hours scrambling around Rhyl shed and perched on the side of the H bridge.
The price for the H Roger Jones book. I would like to order ..is it postage and packing included?
A significant memory is crawling over 52119 and the sister engine 52438 both of which pottered around every day. I recall 52119 on the final day of shunting and it's last trip down the 
Vale of Clwyd line, decorated by the staff at the shed. There is a picture of the engine in the 
H Roger Jones link ...does the publisher sell a high quality copy?
L Hughes
N Yorkshire



December 10th 2006.

An email from a Network Rail employee is reproduced below with a plea for help. If you can help Neil please send details through the email link to me on the "HOMEPAGE".





November 7th 2006.

Below is an email from Alan Morris, who is a Tunnel Engineering Manager in Kowloon ,Hong Kong,  and my reply to him.
If anyone can help Alan he can be contacted through the email link on the HOMEPAGE.


Just a quick note to say how much I enjoyed your site. 
My father (George Morris, now 75) and grandfather (Hugh Morris, deceased) both worked out of Llandudno Junction (I think).  The reason I say 'I think' is that my grandfather passed away before I was born and my father had an accident
I think my grandfather was a steam engine driver and my father a fireman.  I couldn't find their names on the staff list on your site at http://www.6g.nwrail.org.uk/staffrecords.htm but am not sure what years they would have been there.  My father was born in 1931 so I guess he was working on the railways from say 1947 to the 1960s.  He had an accident where his legs were burnt - I think by an accident on the steam engine which stopped him working.
I was searching the internet to try to find out what sort of engines my father worked on so I could buy him something like a book or two for Xmas.  I don't know what type of rolling stock he worked with but I know he used to go from Llandudno Junction as far as Holyhead, Crew and Manchester so I think he was on the big mail trains or express trains rather than local services.  I have had a good look on http://www.transportdiversions.com/ but unfortunately haven't got a clue what type of trains he have worked on.  Am wondering if you could offer some advice.
I am a tunnel engineer but work for an underground railway company in Hong Kong - so 3rd generation railway worker!!
Anyway great site and if you have come across anything in relation to my grandfather or father I'd be fascinated to know.
When I go home to Llandudno next year I'll trawl through the family photo album and dig out any photos with trains in them and scan them for your site.
 Alan Morris

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your kind words about the site. it makes all my efforts worthwhile when I hear that the site
is appreciated, especially from overseas.

After reading your email I decided to contact Derek Williams who is an ex-6G fireman who is also a local historian regarding local railway detail. If you look on the NEWSPAGE on the site you will see details on Derek's newly published book about 6G and contact details for purchasing.
Derek tells me that he remembers your father (George) and recently spoke to him regarding the new book which Derek tells me there is some detail on your father inside. He remembers that George had the accident on a steam engine but continued working at 6G in the stores. He thinks he worked for the local council when he left the railways.
Derek also thinks that your grandfather was Station Master at Deganwy not a driver.
Regarding the engines that your father would have worked on before his accident they would include most LMS passenger and freight engines i.e..
Royal Scot class, Princess class, Coronation class, Jubilee's, Patriots, Britannia's, Black five's, tank engines, class 8 freight etc.......
He would probably have worked the Manchester Club train of which there is a great account of this working, by ex-6G driver Tom Slaven on the "TOM SLAVEN PAGE" on the website.
Your Father would also probably have worked on the "Horse and Carriage" train which picked up empty passenger stock all over the region as well as bringing horses from Ireland to race on UK racecourses.
I hope this has been helpful but I would urge you to contact Derek Williams on 01492 572217 as he may be able to give you more information. I have mentioned this to Derek and he would welcome a call from you if you feel this would be helpful.
I will publish your email on the NEWSPAGE in the hope that somebody else may have information for you.
Once again thanks for your contact,
Regards Geoff Poole.



October 22nd 2006.

More recollections of our area during "The Glorious Years " have been sent in by T Jones, of Chester.
He asks how many sheds were in operation during the 50s/60s era, and if there was a depot at Rhyl.

There was a shed at Rhyl and the full list of sheds in the Chester - Holyhead area was :

                                        6A                            CHESTER
                                        6B                            MOLD JUNCTION
                                        6C                            BIRKENHEAD
                                        6D                           CHESTER (NORTHGATE)
                                        6E                            CHESTER (EX- W.R)
                                        6F                             BIDSTON
                                        6G                            LLANDUDNO JUNCTION
                                        6H                            BANGOR
                                        6J                             HOLYHEAD
                                        6K                            RHYL

Thank you Geoff for publishing my E-mail on your site.  Looking  through the Trains and Pictures has brought back many names I had forgotten.  Fowler... Jinty.... etc. I also remember when I was at Rose Hill Street School in Conway, now the Visitor Centre,  we use to, circa 1960,  at play time know when the big express train’s were due to come thundering through Conway station from Holyhead and to Holyhead.  We use to jump on the small wall overlooking the playground and  station,  and get our eyes and mouths full of smoke and grit. I even took my loco shed book with me to school. Two express engines stand out for me from this period... Duchess of Abercorn and Princess Margaret Rose.

I was wondering how many Rail sheds were in operation in those times between Chester and Holyhead was their any sheds at Rhyl in those days?

I also remember , with fondness, catching a train from the Junction to Llandudno on the footplate/Cab with two of my friends and a 6G worker from those days whose name I can’t remember (might be first name Keith) The loco in Question was I think a tank 40222 small tanker of an engine pulling about 3 coaches from Platform 2A to Llandudno station.

The steam engine number I most wanted to see during those days was Evening Star, but I never saw this locomotive.  I lived in the Morfa, not far from the Railway line, where the prefabs stood.  I could see towards the late sixties the Deltics were taking over the Railways as I made careful note at the time of The Irish Mail trains that came thundering through to Conway and Llandudno junction and beyond

A great site Geoff, thank you.   

T. Jones.

Many thanks, once again, for taking the time to send in your recollections. I hope it encourages others to follow suit.  (Geoff)



October 21st 2006.

An email from T. Jones of Chester is reproduced below. Many thanks for your memories and 
It's nice to know the website brought back some happy memories for you. 

There must be so many " old spotters " out there who could relate similar tales
of the " Glorious Years " who possibly don't realize the interest these stories hold for the 
many 6G enthusiasts who visit this site. If you have any memories you could share, like T. Jones ,
why not drop me a line.

I came across this web site completely by accident but I am originally from Morfa Conway
 I remember in my youth going to the cob train spotting on the bridge in front
 of the Crossville Bus garage with many of my friends circa 1960-65. 
No photographs I am afraid just good memories about steam Locomotives. 
One particular Saturday in the Summer where you could not find a position to sit 
on the bridge, as I remember,  a locomotive had come off the line very close to the 
Junction Lines,  to the Llandudno spur of the track,  the train in question 
was being loaded back on the line by a steam hauled crane.

The steam Loco that came off the line was called MUNSTER 
probably Jubilee class 45740 (geoff)]  what class of loco I don’t know or what year
 this was I don’t know.  I do remember watching two fowler tanker trains from 6g 
at Bryn Morfa with a friend of mine. We used to most days watch these two tankers 
shunting,  they were 44389 and 44525, one of which I saw on your site,  it brought back happy memories.  We also went to the sheds at Junction on the weekends especially
 Sunday’s as I remember that large Lake in  the front of the Sheds. 
I now live in Chester but I am not a Rail Buff anymore but I remember 
those steam trains with fondness a very busy place for steam trains in those days.




October 18th 2006.

Another glowing tribute from regular contributor Alan Roberts for Derek Williams's new book is reproduced below.


I would like to congratulate Derek on his new book on 7A & 6G. Excellent book with many faces recognized, with some of the faces known worked till the late 1980's during my career on the railway.

Alan Roberts
Relief Signaller,
Llandudno Junction.



October 15th 2006.

An email from Chris Hazlehurst , who is a very happy recipient of Derek Williams's new book, 
is reproduced below.

From Chris Hazlehurst
Having read about Derek Williams new book I quickly purchased a copy having spoken to Derek on the `phone.  He was most obliging and spoke at length to me, a total stranger, about his railway days and how he had managed to compile the book despite many challenges.
The book arrived by return of post and I`ve had a job putting it down!  I would wholeheartedly recommend it to visitors to your site and found it very good value for money.  A fitting memorial to 6G.
I`ve encouraged the author to consider producing a 2nd volume.  I`ll keep my fingers crossed.



October 15th 2006.

An email from Richard Thornton is reproduces below with a plea for any photo's
of the Park Royal DMU's on 6G. 

Please email me if you can help!

Hi Geoff,
just had a look through the site, and thought you might be interested to know that quite a lot of material was recovered from the shed during it's demolition.
I believe Peak Rail recovered many of the rail chairs from one of the pit roads, whilst I have the LNWR notice board from the offices ("Llandudno jct cs" chalked on the back!)  a number of LNWR rail chairs, an unused LNWR signal lever, and several other items left behind by BR
The rail built buffer stop, and a number of the yard point levers are in store, and will be used on the Cambrian's Nant Mawr branch soon.
We did try to salvage more, but the developers were under time pressure, and some useful stuff had to be left.
I would be very interested to know if anyone has any photographs of the Park Royal DMU's allocated to 6G on shed.
Richard Thornton.




October 10th 2006.

An email from passed cleaner Eddie Hughes,  from Holyhead shed (6J) and later fireman and driver on the Southern Region, is reproduced below. Many thanks Eddie, I'm sure a lot of people will remember you from those days. Thanks for the contact, Geoff.

Hi Geoff,
         Just found the website, what a great memory provider.
I was a passed cleaner at 6J between August 1960 and May 1964. Terry Hughes,
John Kirkwood and Kevin Aitcheson who themselves were passed cleaners at 6G
during that time, our paths crossed many times during the "on loan" times in
the 60s. John and myself have been lifelong friends since that time and he
has informed me of the Reunion on Wednesday.
I left Holyhead in 1964 to go on loan to Wolverhampton where the Llandudno
trio and self met up once again.
Left W/hampton in October 1965 to go as a fireman at Old Oak Common on the
Western Region till 1969, left Old Oak Common to go as a driver at Slade
Green on the Southern Region.  Left railway in 1976. started as a cleaner or
janitor at Anglesey Aluminium Metals and left last month to retire having
been a site manager for 20 years.
Look forward to Wednesday




October 3rd 2006.

An email from Chris Hazlehurst from Boston, Lincs is reproduced below along with my reply.

I came across your excellent web site dedicated to 6G quite by chance and have found it most interesting.  Congratulations upon producing such a large site containing much of interest.
I came across your excellent web site dedicated to 6G quite by chance and have found it most interesting.  Congratulations upon producing such a large site containing much of interest.
I came to know the area through family holidays at Penmaenmawr in 1962 as a 13 year old and then in 1964 at Gaerwen as a 15 year old.  One week of the fortnight`s holiday would be spent enjoying a North Wales holiday Runabout ticket that would cover as far as Holyhead, Porthmadog and Chester.  I have many happy memories which I can share if people are interested plus a couple of "box brownie" photographs, one of which is of 45527 Southport which took me home to Penmaenmawr each night in 1962.  I will look these out and offer them for consideration.
Now in my late 50`s I ensure that the holiday caravan finds it`s way along the A55 at least twice a year and I make pilgrimages to the relatively unchanged stations at Bangor and Llandudno Junction.
I would have greatly enjoyed attending the reunion this week but it is a long way from Boston, Lincs.  I would also very much like a copy of the new book and will attempt to acquire a copy.  
Let me know if you would like to hear my recollections from all of those years ago.
Chris Hazlehurst  


Hi Chris, Thanks for your kind words and interest. Any old photo's from the area would be greatly appreciated and your recollections I know would be of interest to many site visitors. I was talking to Tom Slaven recently and he told me that his favourite parts of the 6G website are the many emails we publish from visitors relating their personal recollections from the glorious days of steam.
Once again many thanks Chris and I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards Geoff.
PS. I hope you don't mind but I have published your email on the NEWSPAGE. Let me know if this OK.




September 30th 2006.

6G Reunion 2006.

Derek Williams has organized another reunion of 6G workers at the Llandudno Junction Labour Club
 on Wednesday October 4th 2006 at 7.00 PM. It is also a celebration of the 40th anniversary
of the closure of 6G on October 3rd 1966. The evening will include large board displays 
of old photographs entitled:

Copies of Derek's new book described below will also be offered for sale.




September 23rd 2006.

The eagerly awaited book on 6G by Derek Williams has now been published. The 112 page book is titled 
THE MEN OF 7A AND 6G LOCO SHED, Llandudno Junction  1920s till 1966

It took five years of hard work by Derek to compile this superb book and to sort out the many
copyright problems he faced. He should be thanked and congratulated for his efforts
which we enthusiasts of the 6G story can now enjoy.

 I think 6G must be a unique story
as I don't think any other steam shed has had a road named after it, plus a website and a book dedicated to 
the memory of the workers who ran the depot.

    Derek tells me that the book is on sale at most major local book sellers including W H Smith, at £9.00.
Signed copies can also be obtained direct from Derek Williams for £9.00 plus £2.00 P&P by phoning
Derek on 01492 572217.

All profits from the book will be shared between 
St David's Hospice, Llandudno and
The Railway Pension Charity.

I will be reviewing the book on the soon to be published 
on this website.


August 21st 2006
An email appeal from Alan Roberts for ID of personnel in a Colwyn Bay station staff photo is reproduced below.


Please find enclosed a photograph I have taken from the North Wales Weekly News.
Photo shows presentation given to two members of staff from Wil Edwards, Station Master.
Pictured from left to right :
Top Row : Nefyn Hughes,   ?   ,  Richard Roberts.
2nd Row :   ?    ,  E. H Davies, G. Parry, Gwynfor Roberts, J.E.Lloyd
Bottom Row :  Mrs Turvey,  (Ladies Waiting Room), Wil Edwards (SM), D.J.Hughes, H.G.Goodier,  
                         Fred Crossley & Richie Williams.

Mr Wil Edwards, the Station Master, was Station Master at Glan Conwy during the war and later moved to Llanrwst before
being appointed to the Colwyn Bay post. This was a class 1 post - (Phil Evans, who supplied this detail, thinks that the only
others in the area similarly graded were Holywell Junction and Prestatyn.)

(Thanks to Phil Evans for the above detail and the identity of the Ladies Waiting Room Assistant Mrs Turvey in the bottom row.)   

Can anyone find the other missing names please. I would be quite grateful.

Alan Roberts


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If you can help please email me through the email link on the HOMEPAGE. (Geoff)






August 11th 2006.

An email and an appeal from Tony Robinson is reproduced below. If anyone can help Tony 
with any photo's of Kinnerton Bank" he can be contacted through the email link on the "HOMEPAGE".

Hi Geoff,
I read with interest your website re the above. My father (the late J.E. <Jack> Robinson) worked as a fitter there from 1925 until 1945 when he was promoted to fitter in charge at Rhyl. I am currently working on my reminiscences of him entitled "Dad had an engine shed" he finished up at Mold Jct 6B where he was shedmaster from 1952 until closure in 1966.
Whilst I do have some pics of the shed, most can be obtained from the LNW soc and were taken by the likes of my dad's pal Max Dunn, who you have probably heard of. 
The one area that has so far evaded all efforts to obtain photo's is Kinnerton Bank, do you know of any pics of (preferably) assisted in the rear freight workings at that location?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Tony Robinson. 




July 10th 2006.

An email received from Alan Roberts is reproduced below.



May I congratulate Tom Slaven and his new page - excellent stuff and some of the faces recognised such as Vic Thomas, D.J.Evans and Nigel Forest (still driving).

All good stuff,

Alan Roberts
Relief Signaller
Llandudno Junction.

Thanks Alan,
Tom and his wife Margaret have worked so hard to supply the details for the page. I will pass on your comments to them.
Regards Geoff.




July 4th 2006.


GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN (1920s till 1966)

I know Derek Williams has been working on this book for some time and he tells me that all copyright issues have now been settled and a September release is expected. I have seen some of the work Derek has done and I am very excited at the prospect of plenty of new and unpublished details on 6G. I know Derek has put a lot of effort into this book so I think he should be congratulated for all his hard work and dedication which has paid dividends at last. This will be the first book to be published celebrating the workers of Llandudno Junction Locomotive Depot and I'm sure copies will be snapped up very quickly. I will announce more details as soon as I get them.

Derek also tells me that he is arranging another reunion of 6G men on October 4th 2006.
I will publish details on this later in the year.




June 7th 2006.

An email from Roy Thompson, with some interesting recollections from the "glorious days",  is reproduced below.


I came across your website after entering J.M.DUNN. I have just read his
book "Reflections on a Railway Career- LNWR to BR". I was trying to find out
the date of his death but didn't come up with anything. My memories of LJ go
back to the late 1940's when I was an Engineering Apprentice in Crewe Works.
I had nothing to do with the shed there but used to take the train up the
Conway Valley when going Youth Hosteling. In those wonderful 'All Steam'
days our train was enviablely headed by a 'Coal Tank' but on one occasion we
had a 'Cauliflower'. It was a Saturday and the train was Bettws-y-Coed only.
It was a good job as the poor old thing was so run down it would never have
managed the steep grades from there up to Blaenau.

I am a very early Member of the LNWR Society. We have a very large
collection of photos including those taken by G.M. Dunn. If you are at all
interested in the Premier Line you should join us.

Roy Thomson.   Winchester.



June 7th 2006.

An email from David L Jones of Criccieth, Gwynedd is reproduced below. Thanks David , I will pass on your request to Jim... ( see below).  I hope he can help.     Geoff Poole.

Hi Geoff

Stumbled across your excellent website whilst doing a search for the above
and saw the e-mail from Jim Johnson who owns the name plate of "Bangor".
I'm reliving my memories of steam using Microsoft Train Simulator and I've
just started repainting some of the stock that's available.  I've managed to
get photos of "Llandudno" and "Colwyn Bay" nameplates and was wondering
whether you could kindly pass on my request to Jim for a photo of his
nameplate so that I can model that engine?  Your help would be very much
appreciated.  I enclose photos of the two I've managed to get so far on the

The highlight of my train spotting days in Bangor where I used to live was
seeing "Black Watch" in ex-works condition in Bangor sheds and being hauled
from Bangor by the "Duchess of Buccleuch".

Thanks for your help.

David L Jones

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April 4th 2006.

An email from Alan Roberts and photo of Colwyn Bay Station staff is reproduced below.

Another photo discovered in my collection, this time of the station staff at Colwyn Bay in 1980. During this time I was working in Colwyn Bay station 12 months or so before I went on to the signalling grade. Rodney on the left of the picture now works in Llandudno Junction station.

Alan Roberts.

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March 20th 2006.

An email from Selwyn Price who supplied the photo's for the new page "Station Staff Photo Page" is reproduced below,  with a few interesting details about some of the personnel shown. Many thanks Selwyn..



Hi Geoff,

Glad the photos arrived safely, they look good on the web site. One correction though,
Dilys Hughes was mums maiden name, she became Mrs. Dilys Price on her marriage
to my dad.

Looking through some of your old emails, one from Haydn Morris ( 19 September 2004 )
mentions Jack Armstrong. Jack married Eleanor Jones, who appears in one of the
photos I sent in. They lived in Pen Garth, Conway and had two children, James and
Lynne. I think Jack became a local councilor later on.

Olwen Edwards, who also appears with mum and Eleanor, later married Ritchie Williams,
who worked in the booking office at Colwyn Bay station. They had two children, Tudor
and Ceinwen and still live in Old Colwyn.

Mum does still have more photos which I will forward when she locates them.

Best regards,




March 17th 2006.

An email from Tony Williams identifying an "unknown" on the Reunion 2003 page. Many thanks Tony, I
have now corrected the caption...... Geoff.


I have just been looking at your photos of the 6G reunion and would like to let you know the name of the unidentified person in the photo with Bob Barnsdale, he is David Roberts, ex fireman and is now a milkman in Colwyn Bay.
Hope this helps to update your records.
Tony Williams (Llandudno Junction S & T)




March 14th 2006.

Another email from Alan Bartlett , and my reply  , is reproduced below. Many thanks again Alan for the offer of photo's and your comments....

geoff. Thanks for your swift reply.Photos are not A1 but will probably come up with a bit TLC.  I will see what i can do. There are only four at 6G have another taken from first coach behind a Black 5 returning to Abergele near Pennanmawr(never could spell it). A few others at Abergele , also found one in shed yard at 6G of 44661. If i cant get use of scanner icould drop them in the post if you dont mind returning them.               
          I only visited Llandudno Junc. a couple of times when on holiday but there was still plenty of steam even then. At the time i was an ardent shed basher and travelled all over the place, i think i must have lived in steam sheds. As it happens you may know the fireman leaning out of the Blackie.  Just checked out a good site of an ex Annesley fireman, (now that was a good shed to top up your 9Fs) Great pics and stories.
          Always wanted to go on footplate but eyes let me down, nearest i got was Pway in the seventies, at least i can say i did work for BR.
          Anyway thats enough rambling on.
                                  Cheers Alan Bartlett

Hi Alan,
Sorry I got the name wrong (bartman) I will correct it asap. Thanks for the offer of photo's let me know if you need my address for postage. I will see you get them back safely.

Regards Geoff.




March 13th 2006

An email from Selwyn Price received February 24th 2006 is published further down on this page. Selwyn promised some photo's of the Junction and 6G when he received them from his mother. True to his word I have received some very interesting shots of Junction Station staff and rare shots of 6G from 1937 to 1943. I am sure the content and quality of these nostalgic memories will be of great interest to site visitors. I have decided to dedicate a new page to these wonderful shots as soon as I can, so watch this space!      Many thanks Selwyn....(Geoff)



March 13th 2006

An email from Alan Bartlett, and my reply,  is reproduced below...

Geoff. Great site, wonderful photos. Used to visit 6G when on holiday at Abergele, lived in Birmingham then about 15. Have shots of 46235 departing station from the road overbridge and 44525 and  84020 stored in depot yard. Also a Black 5 leaving the depot. Great days.

Thanks for the contact Alan, glad to know you enjoyed the site. How about sharing your photo's so as I can publish them on the site. I am always looking for new material to keep the site fresh. If you feel that you wish to share them let me know. You can send scans as attachments or copies by post. I would be very grateful for any memories you could provide. The site has become what it is today because of the contributions from people like you, so let me know if you feel you could help.
Regards Geoff.


February 24th 2006.

Below is an email from Selwyn Price with some detail about the photo on the "Junction Men" page, showing a young "Tommy Gill" at the naming ceremony of Patriot 45525 "Colwyn Bay". 

Many thanks Selwyn.


If you would scroll down on the 6G website to JUNCTION MEN, to the photo of the
Patriot 45525 - COLWYN BAY -and the young Tommy Gill. The chap to the far right of
the photo, wearing a bowler hat, is William James Hughes, Foreman. His second
daughter Dilys was employed as a Telegraphist at the station during the war and has a
photo taken before World War 2 of all the Station Staff, of whom there are now only 3
alive to date. She also has a lot more photos in her possession, taken at the station,
which may be of interest to your group. I will ask my mother to sort them out in order that
they can be scanned and forwarded to you.

Selwyn Price.



January 2nd 2006.

An e-mail and photo from Alan Roberts is reproduced below:

Hi Geoff,

Another of my photo collection enclosed shows two unidentified Class 25 hauling a loaded spoil train of 28 wagons through Colwyn Bay in 1982. The train originated from Llandudno Junction off an engineering job at the east end of the Junction. The uphill gradient from Mochdre to Colwyn Bay would have meant the driver having the controller in full position to keep the train moving doing not more than 35mph maximum !. Note the brake van at each end of the train which meant the wagons were probably "unfitted" throughout the train. Nowadays unfitted trains are a thing of the past and are fitted throughout without the necessity of having a brake van at the rear.

Alan Roberts.

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November 21st 2005.  With regards to the recent photo and worries about the safety aspect of the sidings, leased by EWS, at Llandudno Junction station, Alan Roberts has just sent me this note to update the story.


Hi Geoff,

Speaking to one of my colleagues working for EWS and he stated that they had requested for the sidings to be lifted. The sidings could then be reinstated in a more simplified form to what the layout stands now and for possible use if the slate traffic ran on the Conwy Valley line. At the moment trains can either run round in the platforms or the so called "Quay Shelf" located opposite the signal box - formed as a short loop.




November 18th 2005.  Barrie Williams, who lived in the area from 1937-60, has just sent me this e-mail with some interesting detail and a plea for help. Barrie is trying to obtain the film made on the 13th June 1937 of 6220, Lion and Coronation running on the four-track main line from Llandudno junction to Colwyn Bay to commemorate the Royal Trains of 1835,1911 and 1937, as featured on the  "STEAM DAYS" page of the site.

If anyone can help please contact me through the e-mail link on the HOMEPAGE.

Many thanks for the contact Barrie.


I lived in Colwyn Bay from 1937 until 1960.  During most of that time I was an ardent "spotter".  A friend of my father's was a top link driver at 7a as it was and I remember vividly going with him one Sunday for a shed tour.  This included climbing inside a firebox.
I visited on many other occasions and have photos of the wheel drop and the stored locos including the low numbered 2-6-2 tanks.
I now have no family connection with North Wales but made a nostalgic visit three weeks ago staying at The Groes.  I had driven up from South Wales along Cardigan Bay and around the Lleyn peninsular.  That brought back memories of the Land Cruise rail journey (of which I have photos) Colwyn Bay/Rhyl/Ruthin/Corwen/Bala/Dovey Junction/Criccieth/Caernarfon/Colwyn Bay.  I returned to Kent via Mid Wales which I had also traversed by rail Craven Arms/Builth Wells/Tal-y-Llyn/Three Cocks/Bargoed/Cardiff.  Another trip not now possible.
My main reason for writing is to ask if you know if it is possible to buy a copy of the film made on 13th June 1937 of 6220/Lion/Coronation en route from the Junction to Colwyn Bay.  I had not heard of the event until recently when on a Cruise I found a book in the ship's library with a superb photo of the event (National Railway Museum - Picture Library).  I had written to them for advice but they do not reply.  Can you help please.
As an aside I wonder if you knew my God-father.  Bob Jones known as Bob Junction.  He was a solicitor with Bone Lucas and Payne in Colwyn Bay and quite well known I believe in bowling circles.  I am the nephew of the late Bill (Tom) Williams who traded as William Owen fishmonger at the top of Station Road in Colwyn Bay.
Hope this message gets to you and you can provide some info




November 17th 2005. I have just received this e-mail from Norman Smeddles, who spent many happy hours watching the steam trains passing through Llandudno Junction when he was a boy. Thanks for the contact Norman. It is rewarding for me to know the website took you back to those happy days. These sort of stories make my efforts worthwhile. Many thanks Geoff.

Dear Geoff,
What a great site.
I spent a lot of time around the junction in the late fifties and early sixties, I was a keen trainspotter and my mum and dad had a caravan on Marl Farm where we spent all our summer weekends and holidays.My friend, Gordon Heasman, and I would go down to the old sheds and sneak around looking at the engines, I remember the old brickworks and the lake that was there. We used to stand on the footbridge at the bottom of Victoria road and also we'd sit on the wall by the castle as the trains came thundering over the bridge. 
Viewing your site brought it all back to me and brought a little tear to my eye.
Fantastic memories, I can almost smell the smoke, and hear that distinctive whistle of the long awaited 'Brit' hauling the Irish Mail.
Wonderful nostalgia.
Norman Smeddles




November 15th 2005.

An email and photo from Alan Roberts, showing all that remains of the Junction sidings, is reproduced below.

What a sad and disgraceful scene this makes. 

If anyone was in any doubt, this sort of sight emphasizes the level our railways have sunk to, and it makes you wonder how safe we are when we travel on our modern track, if this amount of deterioration has been allowed to develop at a main line station.

It's also very sad to see the track,  bottom right of picture, cut and lifted, 
which was one of the tracks leading to 6G. Another poignant reminder of the glorious days long gone.


Thanks for bringing it to our attention , Alan......  (Geoff)


Hi Geoff,
This is the sorry state of the sidings at Llandudno Junction. Three out of the seven sidings are still in use for EWS trains only. The points at the Queens Road Bridge end cannot be used anymore restricting run round movements in the yard.

Alan Roberts.



TAKE A BOW !     EWS.........
(What a wonderful world this would be if the price of weed killer dropped)


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November 13th 2005.

 Below is an email I have received from Tom Slaven, an ex-6G driver.

Hi,  really enjoyed 6g web site, yes that's Bob Buchan in the photo, also in gallery two "fowler 2 6 0  crab2" 42765 the driver was bouyo Jennings and myself Tom Slaven fireman. I have several photos and several clips ( done on camcorder) of the North Wales Express trains, from  1989- 1995, I drove and fired all except Green Arrow (4771) I only fired her, my driver was Dia Llanrwst (D M Jones) I don't think he fancied firing her, This was when driver's where drivers and firemen where firemen. I am also looking for photo's of that era on the website do you know of any. Enjoyed reading Ian Sampson letter who was an old friend of mine. I hope others will come forward after reading the website also, as there is a lot of history to be told about LLan Jct 6 g depot,
                  Tom Slaven ( jock)

Thanks for your interesting comment Jock, I also hope others will contact the site with their memories. I also hope someone can help you with your search for photo's of 1989-95. If you can help Jock, please email me through the link on the "HOMEPAGE" and I will pass on the details. (Geoff)




October 25th 2005.

Below is an email just received from Phil Harper-Smith with some comments on 6G.


Just a quick e-mail to say how fascinating I have found your site. I am
afraid I have no connection with the area or its history, but I have an
abiding interest in the the railways of Wales, I  blame the acquisition of
a book by Bill Rear for that, nearly a decade ago! (Since joined by many

I came across your site when finding out a bit more about the station area
and trying to work out how much of the sidings towards the seawall / quay
area survived. I gather that the three sidings at the end have gone but I
was trying to see how much of the end closer to the station has survived.

I found Alan Roberts comments and diagrams very interesting, especially his
latest e-mail on your news page, about the state of the sidings - they will
certainly need some 'fettling' if the slate waste trains are to run.

Anyway keep up the good work!


Phil H-S

Thanks for the contact Phil. You are right, not much of the track layout from 6G days still exists, as Alan Roberts described on this page (see email below). Very sad! (Geoff.)


September 30th 2005.

I am in the process of compiling a new page featuring rare photo's of 6G from the 80s and 90s , by John Powell. Among them were the two shots below of Bulleid "West Country" class, 4-6-2,   34027 "Taw Valley" at Llandudno Junction Station when she pulled the "NORTH WALES COAST EXPRESS" on the 25th July 1989. I thought it would be more appropriate if they were published here as I think they will be of interest to site visitors.

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Taking water on the return journey to Crewe

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Ready to join her train after the water stop.



September 10th 2005.

Some interesting detail comes in this email from Alan Roberts.

Hi Geoff,

Sorry I haven't been in touch for a while - so much other commitments going at the moment. Good letter from Ian about the Junction since 1986. I worked the Junction box on a regular basis 1990 - 1992 having previously been on relief based at Colwyn Bay and worked with Ian on the platform by radio (walkie talkie) communication. I then moved to be a relief again.

The "new" yard at Llandudno Junction is now a sorry state. Sidings 1 - 4 are blocked due to the condition of the track. Sidings 5 (former Down Avoiding line between No1 and No2 boxes), Siding 6 (former Down Slow & old Platform 4) and Siding 7 (short loop) are the only ones in use. Just because the sidings belong to EWS no other trains apart from their own can stable in the yard. Additionally the run round facilities in the yard now don't exist as the points in the remaining sidings at the Queens Road bridge end have rusted up and don't work !!.

Some other important dates.

From Monday 28th September 1992 (Start of Winter Timetable)
                                                      No shunting will be carried out at Llandudno Junction 
                                                      platform staff (formerly shunters). Trainmen now to
                                                      set the appropriate road for their train to enter the
                                                      yard or carriage shed/sidings. However the platform
                                                      staff will work yard during emergencies only.

From 1800hrs Saturday 3rd April 1993. : No fitters available at Llandudno Junction at any 
                                                           time. Nearest are Chester or Holyhead. This was 
                                                           the very last chapter of the history of the 6G shed.

   Geoff, please note I have changed my e-mail address once again !!!! following my recent move of house from Colwyn Bay to Abergele. My new e-mail is now as follows :-



                            Alan Roberts.

Many thanks Alan, It really is sad when you consider the state of the Junction today. It's sad when you say this is the final chapter in the history of 6G.



September 6th 2005

An Email from current 6G driver Ian Sansom,  is reproduced below.


Hi there...many thanks for your website..its the first time I've seen it and it is of great interest to me as I have worked at the Jct since 1986. I was appointed as one of the "Shift Station Managers" in April1986..a bit of a fancy title for the combined posts of Station Supervisor and Traincrew Supervisor. We were in operational charge of the station , depot and yard as well as rostering and supervising the traincrew...quite a job I can tell you! My colleagues were Gwynfor Roberts (who had once been the youngest guard at Bangor when there was still a depot there) Don Simpson (featured in your reunion photos) and Tommy Hughes("Tom Bodorgan"). Don and Tommy had both been Drivers at 6G. I was made redundant in Sept1997 and after a brief spell as a the Junction Guards Inspector became a Driver at Chester in March 1998 returning "home" to the Jct as a Driver in 2000 where I still am! I had the unusual experience of becoming the junior Driver alongside people I had once been in charge of! I mustn't have upset them too much as we get on fine..if only I could have been a Driver in the old days! I have a great respect for the Jct "old hands" as I quickly realised I had the privilege of working with some super railwaymen. The senior driver in 1986 was Geoff Griffiths  and we had 44 drivers then I think. Most were in No.1 Link who worked all the routes and traction that the depot covered, but there was a "green card"link of men restricted on medical grounds to an area bounded by Bangor , Rhyl and the Ffestiniog Branch...this was the "Branch Link" and the remainder were in the "Spare Link"being allocated to vacancies in the other links but on a strict seniority basis...a minefield to the new boy(me!). The Jct crews were without exception very helpful and cooperative and a pleasure to work with..a trait not necessarily found at every depot in an approximate 40 mile radius I can assure you! As a matter of interest the last true 6G steam man (Kevin Aitcheson who was the junior Driver in the spare link in1986) has just taken early retirement on medical grounds. There is one other steam man at the Jct but he started at Gloucester so did not know 6G in the steam days. There were also 4 secondmen in 1986 one of whom was a"passed man" i.e. could drive when required, he is now a senior hand at the Jct as is another of the secondmen, the other 2 left soon after although one of them is a driver at Machynlleth. Sadly there are now only 18 drivers based at the Jct now and I have to say that the future looks a little uncertain . Incidentally, it was in spring 1986 when the depot was moved up to its present site on the main island platform but for my first few weeks I was based at the old signing on point in the new yard...drivers and guards both signed on there. The remaining sidings at the Jct are all that is left of what was known as the new yard...there were some sidings at the far side of the old carriage shed..these were all named rather than numbered and were the "old Yard".
I am very grateful that Alan Roberts has recorded details of dates etc as I have to rely on my memory . Anyway, thanks again for an excellent site which I'll now visit regularly!
                                                  Ian Sansom

Many thanks for the interesting detail , Ian , and please keep in touch. Any news or changes at the Junction would be very welcome. Regards Geoff.




September 3rd 2005

 Jubilee class 5690 "Leander" on the North Wales Coast Main Line. (PHOTO'S GEOFF POOLE) 


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Leander races away from Conway at Morfa.

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Leander at the Junction




August 26th 2005.

I noticed this article and picture in "Steam Railway" (313), about 46200 "Princess Royal" on 6G.


‘Princess’ on 6G: I was there!

  Our two-part ‘Glorious Years’ tribute to Keith Pirt has generated lots of

  favourable feedback. Reader John Wilkinson from Bromyard wrote with a very

  p ersonal memory: “When I saw the wonderful picture of No.46200 The Princess

  Royal at Llandudno shed (SR311), it bought back some memories as I was there

  on that day! It was very rare for a Stanier ‘Pacific’ to be on 6G as they always

  worked through to Holyhead.

  ‘Sorting through my photographs, I found some pictures of it on shed the same

day. Keith Pirt’s photograph shows it on the water-tank road so I guess I must

have been there a few minutes later as you can see the tank in the background.

The reason why it was on shed was that it had come off a RCTS special from

Bradford to Porthmadog.”





August 2nd 2005

An email asking for records of the stored engines outside 6G has been received from Rick Woodall, and is reproduced below along with my reply. If anyone can help let me know and I will pass it on to Rick.


            Many moons ago when I was a young lad living in Hooton, Wirral my parents often went into North Wales and up to Angelsey on day trips, I remember I always used to look across from the back of the car and see a line of out of use engines at the back of Llandudno Shed and never found out what they were. If I remember rightly they looked like fowler tanks and 2P`s but wouldn’t be sure now, do you have any records or photos at all?


Rick Woodall



Hi Rick,
Thanks for your email.
I'm afraid I don't have records of the stored engines you mention, but have a look at Norman Kneale's Gallery (3) on the site, as it shows a few shots of stored engines outside 6G. There is a 2P and a couple of class 2 (Ivatt)2-6-2T head the queue, and a class 3(Stanier) 2-6-2T is also shown. Sorry I can't be more specific but hope the photo's bring back memories for you.
I will publish your email on the site as someone may have the records you require.
Thanks for your contact.
Regards Geoff.



June 19th 2005. 

An email from new contributor John Powell is reproduced below.  Many thanks for your email and interesting detail John, I will contact you soon. Geoff.

 Hello Geoff,
                 My name is John Powell, and I live near Pwllheli, but prior to 1989 lived in Prestatyn. I don't think I have met you, but I have met Norman Kneale and Larry Davies as I was a member of the North Wales Railway Circle, and went on many trips with both of them. I dropped on your website a few weeks ago and I am very impressed.
                 During the period 1980 to 1987, I worked for a local newspaper in Mochdre,(now moved to the junction), and travelled around most of North Wales, and always carried a camera with me.
                 I see on the website, that you were asking for some pictures to share about 6G. I am in the middle of sorting some out, mostly diesel. I took quite a few snaps of the transformation of Mochdre in the period from 1982 when they built the A55 over the original tracks. Would you be interested at all?
                          A bit of information about Clan Campbell.
                Looking at the picture of Scottish Clan 72002 at Llandudno,by Harry Rogers, brought back memories. I saw this engine returning through Prestatyn on the Sunday afternoon, between 3pm and 4pm. my first sighting of this class, and it was in October  1952, It arrived on the coast by working to Holyhead on the 12.05 am from Crewe, and perhaps somehow found a working to Llandudno Junction, and was sent back to Crewe on the working pictured.
               It was not the only Clan to visit Llandudno though, as 72001 Clan Cameron appeared on September 25th 1953. working the 10.50 Euston to Holyhead from Crewe, and returned next morning on the 09.10 Llandudno to Euston, probably as far as Crewe. On September 8th 1956, Clan number 72005 was noted working the 1.40pm Llandudno to Derby after overhaul at Crewe Works.
              72002 appeared on the Coast line again on April 6th 1956, when it worked the 6.35pm Chester to Rhyl local, a regular running in turn from Crewe after overhaul, and next day this turn produced 72004.
              So according to my records, only three Clans . 72001 /2 /5 had appeared at Llandudno station.
               All the Brittanias had visited the Coast line before their demise.   Please let me know if my photos would be of any interest to you.  I look forward to hearing from you.
                                                      Cheers for now,     John Powell.

 My reply to John is reproduced below.   


Hi John,
Sorry I'm a little slow in replying but I have just got back from holiday. I was really pleased to receive your interesting email and I hope you don't mind as I have published it on the website, as I do with all interesting detail I receive. Please let me know if this is OK. It was interesting to hear the detail of the "Clans" and amazing that you saw the actual working in Harry's photo all those years ago. I grew up in Liverpool and my early steam memories are all from that area, I didn't visit North Wales until steam had disappeared so after getting interested in the area I am really sad that I didn't see the shed in it's heyday. I now live near the 6G site and it was the site of the "crumbling" carriage shed that fired my interest to start the website as I thought it's memory deserved to be preserved.
Yes I would certainly be pleased to publish any photo's of the area especially the Mochdre A55 shots.
Once again thanks for your contact and I hope to hear from you soon,
Regards Geoff




6233 heading for Colwyn Bay with the "up" Welsh Dragon Relief on June 18th 2005.



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June 4th 2005.  6233 " Duchess Of Sutherland " powers her way through Conway with the down
 "Welsh Dragon"


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May 10th 2005. An email from Jim Johnson who is the proud owner of the nameplate "BANGOR" from the fireman's side of the rebuilt Patriot 45523, is reproduced below along with my reply. If anyone has another shot of the fireman's side that they wouldn't mind passing a copy of, to Jim,  please let me know.

I've just stumbled across your brilliant website for the first time.
Of particular interest to me is the photo., on the homepage, of rebuilt Patriot 'Bangor', credited to M.J.Jackson.
I own the fireman's-side nameplate from this loco. and have been searching for a decent shot of that side for years, without success.
What are the chances of obtaining a print? Are you able to put me in touch with the owner/copyright holder?
Hope you can be of assistance.
Jim Johnson.


MY REPLY . MAY IIth 2005.

Hi Jim,
Thanks for the contact. I'm jealous of your ownership of "Bangor" nameplate, which is my favourite class of loco. I used to live near the main London-Liverpool line when I was a kid and I saw most of the "Pate's" on that line, including "Bangor". I do however have one breathtaking memory of seeing 45538 "Giggleswick" storming through Lancaster on the WCML in the early sixties. This is my favourite memory from my spotting days. I do hope someone with money decides to embark on a "new build" Patriot project as it's such a shame none were preserved.
As far as your request for a print goes, I am prepared to scan the copy I have that you have seen on the website and either email it to you or print it off and send it. The only problem with this is the tendency to produce a "moiré" effect. I could scan it at a higher resolution to see if that clears it but this would add to the download time but let me know if you would prefer this.
The photo was printed in a book titled "London Midland Steam on shed" copyright D BRADFORD BARTON LTD 1978 Trethellan House, Truro, Cornwall,  and printed in Great Britain by Chapel River Press (IPC) Printers Andover.
Let me know if you would like a scan
There is another photo of "Bangor" beside the Conway estuary from August 1960 in a book by Bill Rear titled, London Midland Steam in North Wales. published by D BRADFORD BARTON LTD. It was taken by Derek Cross but this shot shows the drivers side. I can put you in touch with Bill Rear if this is of any interest.
Regards Geoff.




May 8th 2005....As promised I report on the Official Caution I mentioned last month.


I attended Colwyn Bay Police Station this morning to receive an Official Caution by Police Sergeant Andy Hemmings, Officer in Charge, Bangor Police Station. 

Sgt Andy Hemmings explained to me that an official Caution stayed on file for five years before becoming spent. This means that if I am convicted of any offence in the next five years, before sentence this Official Caution would then be read to the court and taken into consideration when sentencing was decided.

It was explained to me that on average 250 people (mainly adults) lose their lives on railway land every year. The other concern that the BTP has is that children could be influenced seeing adults trespass on railway land and think that it's alright to follow this example ( a point my wife wholeheartedly agrees with) so I have to hold my hands up and learn my lesson for the future,  no matter how tempted I am to get into that better position to take my photo.   I have to accept that the railways have changed and are obviously a very dangerous place to expose the general public without the special safety training that all railway staff are given.

I must thank Sgt Andy Hemmings,  for dealing with this matter sensibly and respectfully.




71000 "Duke of Gloucester" heads towards Colwyn Bay at Mochdre with the up Irish Mail 
on  Saturday May 7th 2005.


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April 29th 2005.

An email from Syd Winward ,an expat now living in New Zealand ,is reproduced below and also my reply.

Hi Geoff,
            I have looked at about a quarter of this site, it looks to me like a Labour of love you obviously feel deeply about the way everything was demolished I share your feelings I was an apprentice fitter and a full fitter at Bolton Loco shed in the 1950s and 60s before emigrating to New Zealand at the end of 1968.I have had a few trips back and am disgusted at the state of everything the railways have become since I left.
Keep up the good work. I have no connections with the railways in your area except for June 1952 or 53 when we went to Colwyn Bay for a weeks holiday, I spent as much time as possible collecting engine numbers, as you say the north Wales line was very busy in those days.
We had a ride one night by open top tram from Colwyn Bay to Llandudno, it was cold the first stop was the pier cafe for a hot drink, and we rode inside the tram for our return journey.
Back to your site for more reading, my particular favourite sections are the railwaymen's thought and experiences.
        Best wishes,

Hi Syd,
Many thanks for the contact. It pleases me to hear from site visitors and makes my effort worthwhile. As you quite rightly say the site has become a "labour of love" and it has taken a few years research and many "cap in hand"  visits to people I didn't know, to allow me to publish photo's and detail, for use on the site, as I have no connection with the old shed or the railway. I am just an enthusiast who felt the demise of the old shed should not pass without some recognition for the dedication of it's workforce and the importance 6G once had as a main line depot. It saddens me when I see the state our railway has deteriorated to, when I think back to when railway workers from all areas of staff had a pride in their profession.
Incidentally another example of how our railways have changed has given me a police record for trespass.  When I was a young "spotter" in the 50's it was accepted practice to climb over railway fences to get a better view, or photo, of the engines, or even "bunk" sheds which was in effect "trespass", but railway workers and Transport Police turned a blind eye. However, earlier this month I climbed through a wire fence near Abergele, to get a shot of 6233 on the "Irish Mail" for the website. It was more of a safety precaution than a photographic decision , as I was very close to the narrow lanes on a major roadwork's on the A55, and I thought it would be better for me and the heavy traffic if I was behind the fence to take my shot. Unfortunately the Transport Police who happened to spot me didn't see it that way and I had to make a statement as to why I was on Railway property and today I have received a notice to attend Colwyn Bay Police Station on Sunday May 8th 2005 to receive a Formal Police Caution.
 In the 50s I would have got a clip around the ear, from the bobby, but "hey"  that would have restricted my human rights. So the cost to me and the taxpayer for attending this caution is the price we have to pay for progress.
Anyway Syd, sorry for my digression, but it upsets me when I think of the way life used to be and the level it has dropped to today. I will publish your email on the site if that's OK with you. Once again many thanks for your contact.
Regards Geoff.
PS. What's the railway scene like in New Zealand? Do you have a preservation movement like the UK?
Drop me a line if you get time.



LMS Coronation Class 4-6-2. 6233, Duchess of Sutherland visits the North Wales Coast main line on April 9th 2005 with the "Irish Mail". 

Photo (1) was taken at Abergele as she heads for Holyhead running 45 minutes late.  Unfortunately shortly after taking this shot I was approached by Transport Police, was cautioned and had to make a statement as to why I was on Railway property. I explained that I felt it was safer to position myself in this position because of the danger to myself from passing road traffic on the narrow lanes due to the major road works taking place . They felt that it was still necessary to report me and I await proceedings. I will keep the site updated on developments.


Photo (2) shows 6233 at Morfa heading for Penmaenmawr.


Both shots by Geoff Poole.

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March 28th 2005.     An email is reproduced below from Brian Roberts with a plea for help. If anyone can help Brian, please email me with the details and I will pass them on. I have given him a few  names (Bob Barnsdale , Derek Williams and Bill Rear) who may be able to help him.


Hi Geoff,


After I found your contact details via the North Wales Coast Railway website I decided to write to you in the hope that you might be able to help me


My interest in railways began late in 1959 and remains to date.  What frustrates me, however, is the fact that most of my early notes were discarded so I don’t have a full record of what I saw during the latter years of BR standard gauge steam.  


I know I walked around Llandudno Junction MPD on 16 August 1963 but have no idea what I saw.  Can you assist or put me in touch with anyone who might be able to provide a list of locomotive numbers present on the day, please?  Similarly I know I had days out to Chester on 11 June 1960 , 25 and 29 July 1961 , 5 September 1961 , 11 as well as possibly 12 April 1962 , and 24 October 1962 . Once again no notes of significance remain to beef up the fading memories.  Any suggestions?


I was further prompted to write after looking at some of my books over the Easter weekend.  Steam in West Cheshire and the North Wales Border (SD Wainwright) includes a picture at Shrewsbury on 11 June 1960 so presumably the photographer noted something of the trains I saw operating between Salop and Chester .  How might Mr. Wainwright’s notes be accessed I am bound to wonder?


Norman Kneale’s book North Wales Steam (1927 – 1968) contains plenty of photographs but little in terms of dates.  Steam on the North Wales Coast by Michael Jones suggests that relevant information could be out there somewhere if only I knew where to look.  For example the whole of page 38 is taken up with a copy of the train register compiled on 29 July 1961at Colwyn Bay No.2 Signal Box.  However, unfortunately there’s not a loco. number to be seen!


I look forward to hearing from you.


Best Wishes.


Brian Roberts.


Another person who may be able to help is Alan Roberts, so I emailed Brian with his details (reproduced below)

Hi Brian,
Another person who may  be able to help you is Alan Roberts who is a local signalman who has local interests at heart and is also a dedicated archivist of local railway history.
Regards Geoff.





February 3rd 2005.       An email is reproduced below from Tony Crowther regarding the help 6G (mainly Alan Roberts) has given in helping to identify Tony's grandfather, Junction driver, R.V. Jones "Bob Bychan". 

Dear Geoff,
I cannot show my appreciation enough for what you have done.Looking on the homepage you have staff records of llandudno junction staff,well my Grandads name is R.V Jones and he is number 532 on the drivers list,my mother said that that was his british rail wages number.I have a photo somewhere of me and Bob Bychan standing by his DMU on the platform of blaenau in the summer of 1977,and my grandmother still has photos of him in the steam age at Rhyl and my mother still remembers being with him on the steam engines at the turntable at Rhyl in the late 1950s and 1960s.I have very emotional,happy memories of my grandfather,i remember one birthday he got all the railway staff at the junction to sing me happy birthday down the phone,only for me to tell them that my grandad got it wrong by a day early! They played hell with him!!! This is really something to actually find out that there is still people who remember him.I will try to find my photo of 1977.
                                         Tony Crowther.

(see emails below)



January 6th 2005.

An email and a plea for help in identification of one of the railway men in a photo on the site. If anyone can help Tony,  please contact me and I will pass on any info to him.



Dear Mr Poole,
I am e-mailing in reference to your website on the Llanduduno junction engines sheds.My grandfather was an engine driver at llandudno junction for most of his british rail career and i came across a photo on your website in the engine sheds just titled 'stores' of two railway men standing by a line of steam engines,the one that interests me is the one behind the one getting up to the footplate who is standing by the side of the engine.As soon as i saw the photo deep inside i knew that that was him,but when i tried to magnify into the photo he became a blur.His nickname was 'Bob Bychan' he was also a driver on the blaenau branch line during the seventies.If you could possibly find details of the two railwaymen in that photo i would be very grateful for your help.My grandfather was a very well known driver on the north wales line,but sadly most of the drivers that he knew as well as himself are no longer with us.
                                  Thank You
                                Tony Crowther.



January 30th 2005

Reproduced below is an email I sent to Alan Roberts regarding the ID of "Bob Bychan" and Alan's reply plus a reply from Tony Crowther (Bob Bychan's Grandson) confirming the belief that "Bob Bychan" is in the photo referred to in the gallery on this site.




January 28th 2005 (My email to Alan Roberts)

Hi Alan,
I was looking through some of the details on the NEWSPAGE when I read your email to me 03/01/2004 when you mention a driver allotted to branch workings named Bob Bychan. Have a look at the email I published on the NEWSPAGE 06/01/2005 from Tony Crowther asking for details of his grandfather Bob Bychan. Let me know if you have any details that would be of interest and I will pass them on to Tony.
Regards Geoff.




January 29th 2005 (Alan Roberts's reply to me)

Hi Geoff,
I've had a look at the photo and it looks like Bob Bychan but can't confirm as yet. Have you any idea when the photo was taken ? (think its one of Norman Kneale photos)





January 29th 2005(my email to Tony Crowther)

Hi Anthony,
You contacted me with a query regarding a possible photo of your Grandfather on my website "Llandudno Junction 6G". Well I was going through some old emails and I came across one from Alan Roberts who edits the Signalling page on the site and he happened to mention some of the old drivers and one of them was a name that rang alarm bells "Bob Bychan". So I read some of the emails that I have received from site visitors over the last couple of years and I realized it was your grandfathers nickname. I have emailed Alan and he has had a look at the photo and he thinks it could well be Bob Bychan, He has promised to do some investigation so I will let you know if there are any further developments.
Regards Geoff




January 30th 2005 ( reply from Tony Crowther)

Dear Geoff,

Thanks for getting back in touch about my grandfather,'Bob Bychan' who was a driver at Llandudno Junction,my Mother and Grandmother have both seen the photo on your website on my computer and both agree with me that it is him standing by the engine in the 6G engine shed.My Grandmother is really happy that he is still known at the junction,and that he is in the history of the sheds.I myself used to be with him in the cab of his trains going up to blaenau through the late seventies in the summers which were the old DMUs.I will be no doubt visiting your website from now on.Thanks again for your help.
                                            Tony Crowther



February 1st 2005.... reproduced below is an email from Alan Roberts which clarifies the "Bob Bychan" identification query, that I will pass on to Tony Crowther and family.


Hi Geoff,
Thanks for e-mail the other night. I can confirm that Bob Bychan is in the photo behind the other person climbing on to the engine in the photo. I think his real name was R.V.Jones and lived in the Rhyl area, but correct me if I'm wrong. When I started my career on the railway in 1976, I worked on the platform at Colwyn Bay for nearly 4 years and was quite familiar with drivers and guards from Llandudno Junction. Towards the end of his career, Bob "Bychan" was allocated to the Blaenau Ffestiniog workings and local shunts only with similar colleagues such as George Sheedy, Wil "Gyffin", Gwilym Williams (Traws), Les Nevitt and Norman Read. I always remember him as he was one of the few drivers who wore their own flat cap and not the BR issue - some drivers preferred them than the issued cap that came with the uniform. Bob Bychan was one of the original 6G clan still going strong in the late 1970's. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to get a photo of him towards the end of his career.

Alan Roberts.


Many thanks Alan. I will pass your comments on to the Crowther family.







December 27th 2004

Below is an email I have just received from Bill Rear, who was a BR main line driver and who has published many steam railway publications that I can recommend. Bill has offered to help with the provision of some details of 6G. I will contact Bill and hopefully be able to publish some interesting detail .....................



Dear Geoff

Thanks for the most interesting site. Most informative.
I have some information on 6G even back to its 7A days and worked from Bangor and Crewe sheds passing through Llandudno Junction in the 1949-1958 period. Feel free to contact me if you think I can add something useful to your site. I even have an Ashpit Register from the 1961 period which lists the locomotives and drivers who came on shed.
Best wishes for Christmas (a bit late as it happens) and for the New Year
Yours sincerely
Bill Rear







October 25th 2004.

Alan Roberts has just informed me of the sad news that Ex 6G driver Norman Read has passed away. Norman is pictured in numerous photo's on the 2003 "REUNION PAGE".




October 17th 2004.

An email request from Martin Lodge of Rhyl is reproduced below. Can anyone help? if you can please reply to Martin on the email link  swmlo1@btconnect.com 

And please send a copy to me for inclusion on the site.  geoff@poole57.freeserve.co.uk  

I'm afraid my only link with Llandudno Junction shed was bunking it during the early 60's, during my trainspotting years. A time mainly spent at Prestatyn.
However my favourite Royal Scot engine was 46170 British Legion which was transferred to and stored at the Junction around w/e 22nd Sept 1962, at the end of the summer timetable.
It was withdrawn w/e 1st Dec 1962, subsequently taken to Crewe Works and cut-up some time in Jan 1963.
My question is to any of your railway acquaintances:-
Did 46170 do any work after transfer to 6J ?
When a loco was withdrawn, who decided - the shed or central control ?
If central, who were these people and on what basis was the decision made - after all Scots were around for a couple of years more i.e. 46148/46152 ?
Any info appreciated
Martin Lodge, Rhyl 






October 5th 2004.

Below is an interesting email received from new contributor Merfyn Jones who is still working today as a maintenance technician on our local lines. Merfyn, many thanks for your contribution and article from B R Magazine 1957.



Alan Roberts showed me the letter you had from Haydn Morris about the old S&T depot at the Junction.
Attached is from B R Magazine March 1957, showing the opening of the new amenity block at 6G.
I have worked there for almost 27 years and perhaps a little background may be of interest.
The depot was originally in Conway behind the station, within the town walls. It closed in the 60s or early 70s and moved to the amenity block at the Junction. The building when I started was shared with the drivers and shed foreman (old term)
There were about 30 S&T staff at the time to cover from Holywell Jn. to Holyhead and the branches. Outbased depots with 2 or 3 men each were at Rhyl, Bangor and Holyhead. Stores were kept in the old goods shed and yard (Kwik Save now)
Over the years the work varied enormously, all types of work from maintenance to the wiring and installation of the new signalling and box at the Junction. After privatisation new work was done by the Jarvis depot at Chester and we concentrate on maintenance. The drivers moved from the building to join the guards on the station prior to the shed closing leaving us to the whole building.
Then of course we moved out to the former train enquiry bureau by the signal box where we reside today. Numbers now having reduced to about 17 staff purely on signal maintenance.
My own involvement is as the maintenance technician for the areas from Rhyl to Mostyn and the parts of the Blaenau and Llandudno lines not controlled by the Junction box.
Best wishes Merfyn Jones.


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October 5th 2004.

Below is an email received from Alan Roberts.


         Another of my photos being dug up !. It shows two light engines proceeding wrong line through Colwyn Bay during engineering work in the area. Looking out through the cab window is N.T.Williams (Norman) and also in the cab was George Sheedy, not clearly visible in this 1979 photo.
Alan Roberts

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September 21st 2004.

Below is an email I sent to Alan Roberts asking him to clarify exactly where the brickworks sidings were situated as I was unclear of the layout...........................


Hi Alan,
Thanks for the plan of the brickworks sidings. This is very interesting as I have never seen any maps of the sidings before or the exact position of the brick works. I will publish this on the NEWSPAGE ASAP. Could you confirm the exact sidings to the brick works as the plan shows that they run between the carriage shed and the engine shed. I thought there was a sidings which ran alongside the station and around the back of the carriage shed, or am I getting mixed up?

Regards Geoff...................


The siding to the brickworks did run between the carriage shed and the engine shed. Up until the closure of the carriage shed, apart from the 6 roads into the shed there was also 3 roads alongside ; the two short ones terminated alongside the carriage shed whilst the third one went beyond the shed for approx.100yds - this was the truncated brickwork siding.

Alan has supplied a detailed plan showing the layout................Thanks for the details Alan.


A copy of an old plan of agreement between LNWR and the Lewis Brick Works Limited Siding dated July 1918 is shown below.

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September 19th 2004.

An email from Haydn Morris, an ex Junction signalman now living in the Midlands is reproduced below.


Hello Geoff,


I was fascinated with your site and it brought back wonderful memories.

I used to train spot on the station during the 60’s and 70’s and know

a lot of the people featured in your photographs.

In 1974 I started as a trainee in the signalling department at the

Junction and I know there were a lot of characters based on this depot.


As you are probably already aware the S+T depot was in the buildings

adjacent to the sheds and quite a few staff were based there. I was the local

linesman covering the area for a couple of years 1980 – 1982 before moving.

Names such as Jack Armstrong, Doug Evans, Tommy Reese, Ken Dicks are

fondly remembered by a lot of people.


It would be great if you could add something about this on your site, maybe

Alan Roberts would be able to help with the details.

I now live in the Midlands as Signalling Maintenance Manager at Nuneaton

but I know the likes of Garry Morgan Jones, Clem Jones, Mervyn Jones, Ken Hurdman

etc may have lots of information and pictures and still work  on the signalling

department at Llandudno Junction.


If you do intend to follow up on this I would probably be able to dig up a few memories

and photos myself.


Anyway, thanks for the memories and keep up the very good work.



Haydn Morris

 Thanks for the contact Haydn, I will pass on these details to Alan Roberts and please send me any photo's of your time at the Junction for inclusion on the site, Geoff.




September 11th 2004

6233, Coronation Class, 4-6-2, Duchess Of Sutherland passes through Llandudno Junction with the "Anglesey Coronation" , Crewe- Holyhead-Crewe.  (photo's Geoff Poole)



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6233 Approaching the Llandudno link road bridge



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6233 takes her scheduled water stop at the Junction


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6233 passes the Junction signal box on her way to Holyhead.







August 30th 2004.  

Recently restored BR Class 8P4-6-2,  71000 Duke of Gloucester visits the Junction on a "North Wales Coast Express"  (Crewe-Holyhead-Crewe)



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Approaching Conway Road Bridge(12.21) on her way to Llandudno Junction for a water stop.


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Arriving at the Junction 12.24.


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Buried in admirers, awaiting the off.


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The return, dead on time (18.02),  cruising into the Junction.


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Running through the Junction without taking her scheduled water stop.






August 12th 2004.                 An interesting email from Tom Edwards is reproduced below.


Dear Geoff
I have just happened upon your excellent site.  I have many happy memories of hours spent on the platforms of the Junction with my late father.  We went to Llandudno for family holidays from Liverpool during my childhood years in the '70's and several times each holiday my dad and I would watch the trains go by at the Junction for many a happy hour.  I have quite a few photos taken during these times.  It has always been a dream to build a model of Llandudno Junction, or part of it and the plan published on your site is an excellent reference tool.
I went back to the area last year after many years away (I am now settled in Yorkshire) and was shocked and saddened to see my beloved Junction (and Llandudno station, another well-loved venue).  Particularly saddening was the complete disappearance of the MPD at the Junction and the shell of the former splendour that was Llandudno station. I remember looking at the summer specials lined up in the carriage sidings or waiting on platforms 4 & 5.  My favourite class of diesel, the 40, was a regular source of power on these trains.
I could talk all day about the North Wales coast line and the Llandudno Branch!  So I will stop now, but I must not go before congratulating you on an excellent site and urging you to keep up the good work.
All the best,
Tom Edwards

Have a look at Tom's new gallery





July 19th 2004

Below are two photo's showing the two class 50s, 50031 and 50049,  that had come up on a test run but were also used to tow the stricken 47750 back home, after she failed at Colwyn Bay three weeks previously.

The three engines are shown on all that remains of the original brickworks sidings at 6G.


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July 14th 2004.

More details from Alan Roberts, 

Hi Geoff,
            Another photo found I took in 1979 at Colwyn Bay. It shows 6G men on a Class 40 posing for a photograph standing in platform 1 (up loop) awaiting margin for Rhyl. In the cab is an unidentified driver standing in the door, Harold Jones (Curly) at the cab window and goods guard Harry Woolley standing.
                            Alan Roberts.

Alan has since sent me details of the unidentified driver above:  
21/07/2004.   The driver in the doorway is John Nicholson who transferred from Stockport to 6G.

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June 30th 2004

More interesting detail from Alan Roberts.


Hi Geoff,
             Please find enclosed two different layout of the yard at Llandudno Junction. The one dated 1965 shows the down slow running through the old platform 4 and the down avoiding line , now Siding 6 nowadays as shown in the 2004 plan of the yard. Nowadays the yard is only used for stabling units from time to time or demics taken off the main line. Freight such as ballast trains for engineering possessions, test trains and even tampers use the yard on occassions. The yard has seen better times with marshalling of wagons that took place from local freight trip workings running from locations such as Mold Jct, Amlwch, Holyhead, Valley and the Conwy Valley.
                                                                                Alan Roberts..  

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May 19th 2004.

I have just received this interesting map of Llandudno Junction in 1873, from Alan Roberts. Thanks again Alan.


Hi Geoff,
            Enclosed is a 1873 map of Llandudno Junction station. It shows the pre-1897 station with the original Conwy Valley line diverting and running pass 6G shed.
                           Alan Roberts.


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May 2nd 2004.

A major stalwart of this website,  "Alan Roberts"  has sent this interesting shot for your interest. Once again thanks to Alan.



Hi Geoff,
           Enclosed is a photograph of the prototype Leyland railbus passing Colwyn Bay in June 1981.
It was the testbed for what we have now running as a class 142 pacer units. The driver in question on this photograph is D.M.Jones (Dai Llanrwst).
                                                                                                   Photo : Alan Roberts



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March 27th 2004.


An email from Austin Rimmer is reproduced below.

Thanks for the memories!
I was brought up in the Junction and like most boys living round there I was a keen trainspotter
My Taid(Grandfather) was Hugh Jones (often referred to as Hughie Liverpool) and was a driver working out of 6G. 
He might be no 13on the Driver Records but I don't ever recall the nickname 'PIGEON'
I certainly remember references to Tommy Gill & Jack Skint!
If you have any further info/photos of my taid then I would be very interested
Best wishes
Austin Rimmer

Thanks for the contact Austin. I will be meeting an ex 6G staff and reunion member Bob Barnsdale, in a few days,  who may be able to supply some photo's and details for the site. I will mention your Taid to him and I will let you know if he can throw some light on "No 13".   Geoff.



March 26th 2004,

A note from Alan Roberts,

Hi Geoff,
                Re-photos of 6G reunion :-
                The 20th photo down shows Larry Davies talking to Trefor Owen (W.T.Owen).
                                   Alan Roberts

Thanks for the info Alan. Geoff.




March 15th 2004.

Alan Roberts writes,

Hi Geoff,
              Photo enclosed which I took in the early 1980's from Llanrwst box shows Llandudno Jct men on a Sunday engineering working, probably on a tunnel train. The photo is not that excellent because it was just getting light and the photo was on a time exposure. It shows driver D.J.Evans (Dai Dolgell) standing in the cab doorway.
                                            Alan Roberts

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March 15th 2004

Two emails received from Paul Harley are reproduced below:


The vehicle depicted in
is a ballast cleaner, not a crane.  The arm was used to discharge spent
ballast either into adjacent wagons or simply dumped down an embankment.

Paul Harley

P.S. Excellent site!

> By the way how do you know these details. Are you a railwayman?

No, I'm not.  Until recently, I was Chair of the Rail Passengers Committee
Wales, but that appointment has run its four year term.

I know the various types of rail plant, which is how I could identify the
vehicle in the photograph.

> Hope you can send something. I will understand if you prefer not to.

What I can send is some help with the photos of the 6G reunion.  An RPC
member from Llandudno, Larry Davies, appears in two of them!

For the very first photo, the caption needs to be amended from "Larry
Williams" to "Larry Davies".

For the twentieth photo, the first "unidentified" can be changed to "Larry

My own recollections of 6G are limited, as I live in Newport and rarely
visited North Wales until the late 1990s.  I first visited the shed in the
1970s and also recall a visit in the late 1980s, when the experimental
Metro-Cammell Class 151 DMUs were stored there.

It's rather sad that it's all gone, but I'm heartened by the plans for a
new maintenance depot at Holyhead to service the SuperVoyagers and Pendolinos.


Thanks for the corrections Paul. (Geoff)




March 9th 2004,
I have just received this reply from Steam Railway Magazine's News Editor, David Wilcock, regarding my request to allow me to publish his shot of 44806 masquerading as 45050.

Hi Geoff,
              Many thanks for your note via Steam Railway at Peterborough, and my apologies for not replying to your first message, which I confess I did read.
Please feel free to re-use the published picture of 44806 as 45050 - there are no issues of copyright or anything else to worry about, and if you need a print of the locomotive in its 45050 guise, just let me know.
               I did the makeover on 44806 for the simple reason that I own the 45050 smokebox numberplate, and Dave Owen at Llangollen had offered me the opportunity a long time ago to bolt it back onto the smokebox of a '5'. I was nearly out of time - 44806 ran as 45050 on December 20/21/22, and was restored back to 44806 for its very last day in traffic on December 23. Unfortunately, the sun never showed its face at any time during the three days I had it as 45050, so I only have black-and-white pictures, and they're not the best-lit pictures I've ever taken either!
              With my Steam Railway News Editor's hat on, I'd be keen to know about your group's activities - especially the enginemen's reunions. Fire me a line any time with anything newsy, and I'll be happy to include it in SR.
with best regards,

Many thanks for your kind permission David, and thanks also for the above details. The shot is reproduced below.

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March 8th 2004,  Bryn Jones writes:


Hope you are well. Saw Derek recently and talked 6G! See the attachment which may be of interest for the website News Section.
All the best,

(Bryn refers to Derek Williams Ex 6G fireman and present Llangollen volunteer)



Ex Llandudno Junction Loco Visits North Wales


Llangollen Railway’s spring Steam Gala is being celebrated over the weekend of March 27th /28th. One of the highlights will be the visit of Ivatt 2-6-2tank engine 41241 from the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway. This class of engine was not only used by British Railways between Ruabon and Barmouth, it also provided power for another famous north Wales favourite – the line to Blaenau Ffestiniog.


For working the Blaenau branch (and other local services), members of the class were allocated to Llandudno Junction shed, eventually taking over the reins from their forebears designed by William Stanier which had been the mainstay of such operations from the immediate post war years.


Over time, some two dozen Ivatt tanks were allocated to the Junction including 41241 which was transferred from Wrexham’s Croes Newydd depot (along with 41204) in the week to 12th June 1965.


What actual use Llandudno staff made of 41241 during its brief stay isn’t entirely clear as it is known that it spent much of its time stored on the shed’s "back road".


In the week ending August 21st 1965, steam was raised and the loco (along with sister 41272) transferred to Skipton. Withdrawal came in December 1966 but preservation beckoned and 41241’s long association with the Worth Valley began.


Visit the Llangollen Railway website for 41241’s workings whilst visiting the railway.


On a separate note …..

As a sequel to the evocative and highly enjoyable masquerade, involving the Llangollen Railway’s ‘black five’ carrying the identity of Llandudno  Junction shed’s Royal Train and Manchester ‘Club’ engine 45282, 44806 sported another disguise over the Christmas period when it was given the number of classmate 45050. Coincidentally, the real 45050 is significant in 6G history as it was present at the shed on the last day of steam operation  Saturday October 1st 1966. The main activity that day had taken place in the morning when preparations had been made for the shed’s last booked workings. These had involved 45282 which was the last 6G allocated steam loco to leave the shed.


However, late on Saturday evening 45050 failed with injector trouble an a passing Chester bound working and was left outside the shed until repairs could be made the following day allowing it to work back to Holyhead on the Monday.


Rather than being the last loco on shed, 45050 was in reality the first in a long list of engines which were stabled in the shed yard between workings. This carried on until Easter 1967 when  6A Chester Midland Depot closed to steam.  However, 45050 made a good subject for the photos taken that Sunday. These included the work of Harry Rogers Jones displayed on this website.        


Go to the "Final Curtain" page to see the historic shot of 45050 described above.


Thanks Bryn for the above submission.

I have emailed and faxed  David Wilcock, News Editor, at "Steam Railway"  with a request for him to allow me to publish his recent photo of 44806 masquerading as 45050,  described above. 





March 9th 2004, I have received an email today from Tony Streeter, Steam Railway Editor, apologizing for the late reply, which is reproduced below.


Dear Mr Poole

Many thanks for your fax and I am sorry you did not receive a reply.  You should have done as I certainly remember sending one but perhaps it got "lost" in the etha. 

It is not for me to say whether you can publish David Wilcock's picture or not as the copyright remains his and not Steam Railways.  However I have forwarded your request to him and I am sure he will reply direct to you.

Yours sincerely

Tony Streeter

Many thanks to Tony Streeter, hopefully I will have a decision on the publication of the photo of 45050, from David Wilcock soon. (Geoff)







January 15th 2004.

Alan Roberts sends this interesting shot from 1981, showing the devastating results of a derailment at the juncton.

Hi Geoff,
             Another photo enclosed from my collection of photography! - in which few drivers, staff and enthusiasts visiting this website remember well.
The date is the 13th May 1981 and shows devistating results following the derailment of 4G66 Holyhead - Lawley St freightliner. The train was hauled by a class 40 loco and as it passed the signalbox, the sandbox fell off and ended up in the diamond crossing of the Llandudno branch line connection. The first few vehicles including the loco went over ok but the rest of the train was completely derailed destroying the length of track from a point opposite the box to the end of the platform. Some of the containers were ripped open and one hit the platform end.

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January 29th 2004

Further contact from Alan Roberts :

Hi Geoff,
            Enclosed is a photo of the former No2 box at Llandudno Junction taken in 1978. It was opened by the L.N.W.R in 1898. It was the largest box on the coast and had a total of 154 levers (A + 1 - 153). With the closure of No1 box on 26th May 1968 and rationalisation of the trackwork and signalling, the frame was reduced in size with levers 1 - 45 taken away. The box closed on the 10th February 1985 and was replaced by the present BR flat roof structure containing a panel. Note of interest is the former Fyffes banana warehouse located behind which has a listed building status and nowadays houses Collinge Antiques.  
                                                                              Alan Roberts.

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January 29th 2004

Martyn Stroud writes :

Dear Geoff – just a quick note to say how much I have enjoyed visiting your site although I have no recollections of the steam shed just happy memories of train spotting at the station some 30 years or so ago.


I would be interested to see how the shed and carriage shed stand against the geography of the area now maybe by superimposing something onto a current picture of the new road layout – a “now and then” type comparison, as I have often travelled along the new road layout and wondered exactly where the steam shed, turntable etc was.


Anyhow keep up the good work.


Best wishes


Martyn Stroud.



As I have explained to Martyn the photo from Alan Roberts on the "NEWSPAGE" showing the foundations of 6G in the 90's and the "AERIAL VIEW" page on the site should give a good idea of where the old site was in relation to the new geography.


January 21st 2004.

Iwan Astley from Corwen writes  with some details of his recollections of 6G in the early 60's and a plea for help, for details of a copy of a working timetable of Wrexham, Croes Newydd (89B) workings,  of the Ruabon- Barmouth branch,  in the 50's  / early 60's.

 If anyone can help please email Iwan through the link below.



       Dear Geoff,
                    I  thouroughly enjoyed your web site on 6G where I used to get on shed when staying with relatives at Mochdre in the early 60's.
I live in Corwen and have always been a fanatic about the branch travelling every day to and from Bala to school with most evenings spent at either Corwen East or West box or if my luck was in on the footplate.

I was wondering if you knew where I could get a copy of a working time table of Croes Newydd workings of the branch in the late 50,s early 60,s

             Yours faithfully,
                           Iwan Astley.

                    P.S. I have been on the footplate between The Alluminium works at Dolgarrog and the station If only the camcorder had been invented in the 1950,s

             My e-mail is  wjastley@aol.com 






19thJanuary 2004

Further details and two interesting photo's from Alan Roberts



Hi Geoff,
            Enclosed are two more photos taken in July 1993, this time showing 151 units stabled in the carriage shed during the early part of the 1990's. They were removed from Llandudno Junction in 20th September 1993 and went to Blackpool carriage sidings for storage.
           Llandudno Junction carriage shed has always been a host for storing units both diesel and electrics.Apart from the Class 155 prior to their conversion to 153 units, between 9th September 1990 & 5th November 1990, two Class 303 EMU's (ex-Glasgow) 303.066 & 303.049 were stored for safe storage before they departed for Derby. On the 7th October 1991, two Merseyrail electric units 508.106 & 508.109 arrived at Llandudno Junction for storage until electrification extended between Hooton and Chester. On the 13th March 1992, two further Merseyrail electric units 507022 & 508105 arrived for storage. All of the Merseyrail units returned back to Chester on Tuesday 14th September 1993 except for one 508 unit which was shunted to the Glan Conwy freight terminal and then loaded on to a road articulated trailer.
           The second photo shows the land occupied by 6G shed with the foundations clearly seen where the pits used to be. This area is now occupied by the car park next to the cinema.During the A55 road construction between Colwyn Bay and Llandudno Junction in the 1980's a new temporary siding was put down here for road contractors to offload trainloads of pulverised fly ash (PFA) from Fiddlers Ferry power station. The PFA was used for the diversion of the railway between Colwyn Bay and Mochdre and the A55 road through the Afon Ganol area between Mochdre and the Black Cat interchange section.
                                                                 Alan Roberts.      



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3rd January 2004

Alan Roberts, A relief signaller at Llandudno Junction writes :

Hi Geoff,
            May I congratulate you on the excellent site on 6G shed. I work on the railway as a relief signaller at Llandudno Junction and many faces I knew in the reunion photos on your website. I started in 1976 on the railway and have been working in the signalling grade since 1981. Some of the drivers were associated when we went to cover the box at Llanrwst where the staff (later tokens) were exchanged with the signalman. Drivers allocated to branch workings included George Sheedy, Bob (Bychan), Les Nevitt, Norman Read, John Owen, Wil (Gyffin) and Aled Roberts (Aled the Pill). Also a mention to the number of ex-6G drivers who turned up at D.M.Jones (Dei Llanrwst) funeral - it was a nice thought to have a photo taken like this of the drivers who worked with Dei.  Geoff, keep up the good work and keep this website going, its a must for all railwaymen and enthusiasts interested.
                                                                                        Alan Roberts.

Thanks for your comments Alan and thanks for your recollections, these are the sort of details that I have been hoping railway men and enthusiasts would send me when I started the site in May 2003. You are the second  railway man to get in touch , this year , so let's hope there are many more who will be encouraged to send me their stories , as I am asked all the time by site visitors for more everyday human interest stories and details about 6G and local railway stories. You don't have to be a railway worker to submit a contribution to this site. I would welcome any local railway interest information from any source.  Visitors to the site really are interested in any information on the subject so please no matter how insignificant you feel your story is , send it to me anyway , and I will judge if it warrants publication.

Thanks Geoff.     Send your submissions to :  geoff@poole57.freeserve.co.uk 




11th January 2004.

Alan has sent the following photo taken from the signal box at Llysfaen :

Hello Geoff,
                Photo enclosed shows 08 078 taken from the signalbox at Llysfaen on Sunday 19th September 1982. The train had just come out of Penmaenrhos tunnel, crossed over at Llysfaen from the up to the down, then waiting for relief traincrew from Llandudno Jct by taxi before proceeding back into the tunnel. The driver in view is Ivor Wynne Jones and the Supervisor in charge of the tunnel train and possession was Brian Ashton from the works department (shops) Bangor.
                                                                          Alan Roberts


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1st January 2004,

To date 6G has recorded   9347  visits in less than eight months. I published the site on May 17th 2003 and I am staggered by the interest and support you , the site visitors , have shown. I would like to thank everyone who has viewed the site and especially the people who have taken the trouble to contact me with information or support which has kept the site fresh and up to date. Please keep the suggestions and information coming.   Many Thanks Geoff.





01 January 2004.                             

Mark Jones writes:    my name is mark jones,i enjoyed looking at the site,i was a trainman at lj,from 90-92,moved away to get a drivers job at Westbury,Wilts.before coming home in 96.I was a driver at lj until 2000 then moved to heavyhaul at crewe.It was great seeing the drivers who passed on stories,anectdotes,scams and the odd bit of advice?such as Wyn,Tommy Slaven,Vic Thomas Cliff and Curly.my era was of Pen stone trips(which I still do with HH),Valley goods+flasks,traws flasks,Amlwch-E Port tanks to say but a few!are there any pics,info etc from my era planned?thanks for bringing it all back Mark

Thanks for your comments Mark.  If there are any other railway men with experience of 6G or LJ why not do what Mark has done, get in touch and relate some of your experiences of the later days of the shed as I am short of content from the 70's , 80's and 90's and feel that these days should be represented more as they are an important part of the story.



September 10th 2003.

Bryn Jones writes:    I am getting in touch on behalf of he Foxcote Manor Society to tell you that it is organizing a farewell to Black 5 "44806" on Saturday 4th October 2003 at the Llangollen Railway before it undergoes a major overhaul. However for the afternoon before the scheduled last trip as 44806, the loco will masquerade as Llandudno Junction favourite "45282" and will run to Carrog in this guise.


"45282" is probably the most well known of the junction's passenger loco allocation in the final years before closure, and the most fondly remembered.  You might like to include the news on your growing and informative website. More details can follow , once finalised , if you wish.


The mastermind behind this is:-

Neil Evans [details supplied]


PROFILE OF "45282"


Many thanks to Bryn Jones for the above.  More details of this interesting run will be published as soon as they are available.


October 8th 2003..........True to his word, Bryn has just sent me this item to update the story.

I said I'd update you on the'45282 lives on!' event on the Llangollen Railway.
45282 (aka 44806) looked the part of a Llandudno Junction 'Club'  engine having been spruced up and adorned with the appropriate front number plate and 6G shed code.  She made three return trips to Carrog from Llangollen and performed perfectly.  Driven by Terry Wheeler from Anglesey, he was ably supported by former Llandudno Junction 6G locomen John Kirwood and Derek Williams, both of whom remember the original 45282 well. 
In spite of deteriorating weather conditions, a number of former North Wales coast  steam locomen came to enjoy the event as did a range of photographers.  One memorable highlight was the footplate rendition of 'Happy Birthday' for a passenger who was out celebrating his 70th birthday with his family and friends!
Thanks go to the Llangollen railway and all who made the event possible, especially Neil Evans, chair of the Foxcote Manor Society. 


Due to work commitments I couldn't attend the above but I would like to thank all concerned for organizing
the nostalgic run and especially Bryn for the update. It must have been a great sight for the Junction men
who attended.  Any photo's would be appreciated for use on the site.  (Geoff Poole)


44806 as 45282 at Llangollen shed  4/10/2003 with footplate crew (left to right)
Derek Williams, Terry Wheeler and John Kirwood, as they prepare to leave
on the run described above.     [photo Bryn Jones] 




6G staff who attended the recent funeral of driver D.M.Jones at Colwyn Bay Crematorium. (left to right)
back row : Sam Owen [porter-station], Emrys Roberts, Norman Read, Frank Raw [drivers],
John Kirwood [passed cleaner], Don Simpson , Geoff Griffiths [drivers], Jim Price [fireman]
Eddie Owen [passed fireman] , Raymond Roberts, Cliff Roberts , Norman Williams , John Thomas [drivers]

front row : Wyn Smart, Ivor Wyn Jones [drivers], Glyn Jones [fireman], Ken Jones, John T Roberts, [drivers]
Derek Williams, [passed cleaner], Dennis Roberts, [driver], 
Bill Rudge, [driver and running shed foreman RSF]



Tom Jenkins writes from Workington with this interesting story which emphasizes the widespread interest
in Llandudno Junction shed and surrounding area. I will publish details of Tom's new website when available but in the meantime why not visit his "fun site" from the link below.

Hi Geof,

Thanks for replying to my email. Having seen your web site I thought that all my photos of the 6G buildings and station would prove interesting to model railway enthusiasts. As I said, I have photos of the houses and shops overlooking the station and yard and these will be of tremendous help to railway modellers. I thought about and decided upon making a photo based website on a free web servers site and having on-site links to full size photos.

I'll give you a little backgound details of my interests in the area to let you see why someone living in the lake district is so interested in North Wales. The old shed had been raised to the ground when I visited the area and the diesel locos in use were using the old carriage sheds. I would have liked to have seen the old steam shed because a friend of my grandfather worked there, a Mr Nunn. My Grandfather lived and worked in Stoke - on - Trent and retired to the North Wales area. I think Mr Nunn was the shed foreman at 6G and Bangor . I met mr Nunn when I was a young boy, when he visited my grandad's home in Rhyll, when I was stopping there on holiday, but is that long ago I can hardly remember anthing of that holiday.

My Great Grandfather was born in the Penrhyn area (Bangor) and moved to  Bangor where he worked as a signalman for the Chester & Holyhead Railway, then the L&NWR. Later he moved to The North Staffordshire Railway and worked at Stoke - on - Trent. My Father moved to Workington during the 2nd World War to work in the steelworks and met my mother who lived here. My other Grandfather was an engine driver for a small railway company in Workington - the Cleator & Workington Junction Railway. He was transfered to the LMSR at the grouping and worked from LMS shed W32, later to become 12D. A couple of his brothers worked for the L&NWR and the Mersey Overhead Railway. Dad broke the tradition by working in the steelworks but he did make the steel for the railway lines that Workington was and still is famous for. Dads brother was a driver for the LMS and BR at Longsite.  In 1970 I started up a model shop selling mainly model railways, so railways has always been in the bood of both my parents families for years and years.

I have a fun website
  http://www.tom.jenkins.5u.com/   which is about showing animated GIFs of railway engines and rolling stock. The time setting is LMS days and the trains which move across the screen are a local C&WJR saddle tank engine, a Fowler Jinty and a Midland 4F. I have neglected the site in recent times because I have been making drawings of LMS wagons and intend to publish them in a series of A5 size booklets. the first booklet is nearing completion so I can now find time to build another web site to show my North Wales. ironically all the best photos of Bangor and many more of LLandudno and the Junction were in an album which was stolen from my van in the 1990's. They were the good photos of actual engines and trains, goods wagons, signals boxes etc. and the better ones of the other places I can't ever replace. What I have left are the ones I pulled to use when I intended making models of the station and shed buildings and the private houses and shops. Then I changed my mind and built a model of Bangor. All the photos of the layout were in the albums and they like the layout no longer exist.

I met Norman Kneal on the road overbridge at the Crewe end of the 6G site and he explained how to get to the sheds from the bridge by going down the old black cinder path and who to ask for. I set off with my notebook and camera and met the chap Norman told me to find.  I don't remember what his name was but he was happy to allow me to roam around after he asked me my name and I told him of the friendship of my grandfather and Mr Nunn. I was allowed to visit the sheds time and time again and he arranged a cab ride for me to Anglesey and back in a class 40. When we stopped at Valley I got into the first coach with the gaurd and continued to Hollyhead to prevent the driver getting into trouble. The return journey was done in reverse, getting into the cab at Valley and going as far as Rhyll, where I caught a DMU back to the junction. I will never forget the cab ride but I can't remember thier names or what the train crew or the depot foreman looked like. The photos of the railway staff were in the album. There were two restrictions - not to cross the main running lines and not to wander around the site without wearing a high visability vest.  They gave me an extra large orange vest which I kept hold of to visit the area the following year.

One of the guards I met was from Manchester and he gave me an LNWR whistle, which I have kept to this day. He told me how his family had been gaurds on the line sine LNWR days and his Grandfather used to live at Llandudno after he retired.

To me 6G means a He** of a lot and to show my photos on the web may also mean a lot to other people. I will build up a web site over the next few weeks and send you the URL when I get it finished. I would like to place some Welsh lanquage titles on my home page maybe you can help me?


Tom Jenkins
of Workington

Workington - famous for railmaking for over 125 years