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June 18th 2014.

LMS Jubilee Class 6P 4-6-0 no 45699 "Galatea" with the return leg, this evening, of the Lancaster - Carlisle - Lancaster, 'Fellsman' at Bamber Bridge.








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June 18th 2014.

Another rare shot of a Precursor at 6G in the 30's provided by Roger Carvell.



I have had a delve into my collection and come up with a view of a less than pristine  'Precursor' 4-4-0 leaving the 'Junction'
with a Bangor and Holyhead train on August 8, 1934.

The engine is rebuilt 'Precursor' 5270 'Marmion', which first entered service as LNWR 469 in 
July 1907 and underwent rebuilding at Crewe in May 1918. This involved a new Belpaire boiler and superheating to get better coal economy.

5270, rated at '3P', had two more years service left during which she added a '2' to her cabside number 
to distinguish the engine from the new Black Fives then coming into traffic.The call to Crewe Works for scrapping came in May 1936.

The credit to this photo goes to L.Hanson of Northampton.
 He took some great pics in the 1930s. I'm glad he went 'down the coast'.

Roger Carvell.







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May 25th 2014.

Another gem from Roger Carvell is published below.

Going back in time, here is another photo (uncredited) of '6G' in busier and more varied times, August 1963.

Crewe North's Stanier Pacific 46228 Duchess of Rutland has arrived at Llandudno Junction with what looks like a service train, due to
 the  'GUV' mail/parcels van behind the tender.

 The '1Axx' headboard is  puzzling. The letter 'A' normally indicates a 'London terminus' but here 
is the mighty 46228 going the other way, to Holyhead.

 The engine is in  now grubby BR red but yet to be spoilt by the diagonal yellow cab stripe.

46228 made it to the final cull of 'Duchesses' in September 1964 and was cut up at Cashmores of Great Bridge a few months later.

A father and his sons step forward for a closer look, while a  lone, mackintoshed Peter Falk-like figure of Columbo TV detective
fame studies the engine. His catch phrase seems appropriate, 'Just one thing...' but a splendid one at that.

Roger Carvell.





An email from John Powell, with a humorous tale regarding 46228, is reproduced below.


Looking at the photo sent in by Roger Carvell recently, of 46228 "Duchess of Rutland" at the Junction, it brought back a
humorous nostalgic memory to me.
 

It was during the summer of 1955, that I went off to Crewe for the day hoping to see / cop my last two semi`s, as I called them, these
being 46228 & 46244.  After about half an hour spotting, 46244 came off 5A to work a train South.
 
Some lads had bunked the North shed, and showed me a list of what they had seen inside, and 46228 was well inside.
This is what I came for, so I took a chance and made my way down the side of the shed trying to see through the dirty
windows, but no luck.

 Then as I entered the shed, I came face to face with a miserable looking shed-master.

"Right", he said, " Come with me to my office, I`ll  teach you to trespass in my shed, and I hope you will enjoy prison
food"   As he took me through the lines of engines, a fitter working on a black 5, started to talk to him.

 As I stood
there waiting, I turned to look behind me and there was 46228.

 Well, I was out of 5A as fast as I could run, over the
footbridge, and stayed down the South end of the station until it was
time to catch my train home.   " Happy Days "


John Powell.

 

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SEASIDE FLYER
Saturday May 24th 2014


May 25th 2014.

Ieuan Wood took the shot below, at Shotton yesterday (24/05/2014), of Ex - GWR Castle No. 5043 "Earl of Mount Edgcumbe" with the
outward leg of the 'Seaside Flyer' Tyseley - Chester - Llandudno - Tyseley.






Dave Wood caught this view of 5043 on the return leg.





Two shots by Roger Carvell of the same train approaching Llandudno Junction from Llandudno with 5043 bringing the Empty Coaching Stock (5Z44) for
afternoon maintenance at 6G before returning to Llandudno for the outward leg back to Tyseley.










  An email and another shot of the above train by Bill Webb is shown below, along with an interesting poster showing LMS train
fares from August 1934 when rail travel was affordable for ordinary folk.
             
                             
                                       
                                                                                       
Hello Geoff

I have just been having a look at your excellent website and having shot some images last weekend I have attached one or two that you may
 be interested in, please feel free to use if you wish.

Unfortunately I did not travel along the N.Wales coast line much in the days of steam, however, a fairly regular trip was the annual charter
 by local Sunday schools in my part of North Shropshire.

 The train left Whitchurch, having had to draw forward in the station due to the length of the train, taking the branch line to
 Chester, which closed in 1956 to passenger but was still open for freight and specials.

 Upon leaving Chester we passed the sheds where there were usually a couple of Eastern locos to be seen, I'm afraid that I can't
 remember much beyond that point.

 I did spend one holiday at Conway when we travelled there by train and stayed in a caravan somewhere along the side of the line [ probably Morfa ] , my uncle was with us
 at the time and he worked on the T.P.O. from Crewe to Holyhead, I remember the expresses passing the site at speed.

You will also see a handbill from LMS days interesting prices !!!!!

Regards Bill Webb Whitchurch Shropshire.












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May 19th 2014.

Another rare shot sent in by Roger Carvell of "Crab" No. 13165 at Llandudno in 1930 is shown below.

Attached is another pic unearthed from my collection.

This is the departure scene at Llandudno on July 27, 1930, showing almost brand-new Horwich 'Crab' 2-6-0 13165 ready to leave
with what the caption calls 'Sunday Yorkshireman'.

The '584' reporting number would indicate an excursion returning home.

The orthochromatic film of the day has recorded the buffer plank as black but we know they were always red.

13165 was renumbered as '2865' by the LMS and later as BR '42865'.
This engine, post-war, was either a Lancashire or Yorkshire-based locomotive, alternating over the Pennines with different
allocations, including Bury and Low Moor and a period in Scotland.

Designed by George Hughes at Horwich Works, the 'Crabs' were modern engines, let down by Derby's insistence on their
standard, narrow Derby tender.
If Hughes hadn't retired before the first of these capable engines were completed, the Horwich tender envisaged might have
 matched so much better!

The photo is credited to 'H.N. Priestley'.

Roger Carvell.







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May 19th 2014.

Roger Carvell was at Kings Cross on May 4th 2014 to catch this interloper on Platform 1.

Well, here she is in all her splendour, albeit in Brunswick green. To think Platform 1 was once the Gresley beat exclusively!

The Duchess had come on at York and brought back the final leg of a six-day tour of the UK. One thing I did notice was how clean-faced the crew were.
 Last time Bittern arrived here, the engine crew looked  like they had been down the pit!
Says something about Crewe engines being the best!

Roger Carvell.










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May 12th 2014.

Britannia 70013 "Oliver Cromwell" waits at Chester on November 30th 2013.









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April 28th 2014.

Black Five 44932 with this afternoons Bristol Temple Meads - Grange over Sands"Great Britain" tour at Helsby.







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April 10th 2014.

This is a nice portrait by an unknown photographer, of one of George Whale's 'Precursor' Class 3P 4-4-0 locomotives, No. 25277 'Oberon'.

The engine is standing behind Llandudno Jct station in the sidings with an unknown lady.
 Years ago the LNWR Society published this photo to try and establish who she was.

Photography must have been quite a bold thing to do in wartime, for this picture dates from August 1942 when World War Two was at its height.

 Anyone carrying a camera would arouse suspicion, especially at a key transport installation. Perhaps the atmosphere was more relaxed
in the Llandudno district? Despite publication, no-one has come forward to identify the lady concerned, so for now, the matter must rest.

No 25277 was built in 1904 as LNWR 2164, and delivered from Crewe Works in April that year.
 
Concerns over coal consumption of these engines resulted in some rebuilding together with super heating.
 2164 re-emerged, thus, in January 1913. Renumbered by the LMS as 5277, 'Oberon' was further re-numbered
as 25277 to make way for new LMS 'Black Fives'.

Withdrawal for 25277 came in August 1946; fellow 25297 'Sirocco', a '7A' engine, becoming the very last of a once 130-strong class.
 Her turn came in June 1949 under BR auspices. Had 25297 lasted longer, her BR number would have been 58010.

It is worth adding that similar 'George the Fifth' 4-4-0 5400 (LNW 363) was named 'Llandudno' and lasted from 1915 until 1935.

What price her nameplate?!

Roger Carvell.




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April 6th 2014.

I was out and about on Monday, and by train, visited Stamford, just off the ECML on the Peterborough to
Leicester line - it retains manual ex-MR signal boxes, but only just.

Stamford station is home to Robert Humm's bookshop and while there, I had a trawl through his loose photos for sale box
 Not much on the North Wales coast except the attached.
 A picture of a former North Staffordshire Railway Brake 3rd vehicle, stored at Deganwy.
The photo is credited to 'Locomotive and General Railway Photographs.'

The 'Knotty' had no gangwayed coaches but what they did build was good, solid and finished in madder lake.
 The NSR was one of the first to switch direct from oil lighting to electricity- they never had any gas-lit stock.

Some NSR coaches were built specifically for Stoke to Llandudno summer services and I wonder if this vehicle was one.
 The 'EXTRA TRAIN' legend on the end panel is interesting.

The large amount of luggage space compared to only two third class compartments would suggest that Potteries holidaymakers always
took a lot of luggage to the seaside.

The photo is dated '1948' and I think this coach was probably stored or awaiting the final journey to the breakers, although some 'Knotty' coaches
lasted until 1954 in general traffic, mainly in the Furness area but also on the London,Tilbury and Southend lines.

Aye, another bit of local history!

Roger Carvell.




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March 26th 2014.

Here is another pic of one of the second batch of Armstrong Whitworth-built Black Fives.

Model engineers will note that these engines were nicely finished- flush tenders and no heavy rivets on the
buffer planking and elsewhere.

Llandudno Junction's own, brand new, 5370 pauses at the station with an up parcels on August 24, 1937.

The engine was into traffic in June that year. In the 1950s, 5370 had become 45370 and appears to
have been an Aston (3D) engine for many years before moving briefly to Carnforth (24L)
and then Crewe South (5B) but came back to '6G' for the summer months of 1960.

 By 1965 it was ending its days at Speke Jct (8C).

 Withdrawn in August 1966 it was scrapped by Cashmores at Great Bridge in November that year after a respectable
29 years, 2 months service.

The photo is credited to Roger Carpenter Photos.

Roger Carvell.





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March 19th 2014.

Below is a photo of a brand new Stanier Black Five at Llandudno, taken on May 15, 1937.

 This is 5239, one of a second batch of Black Fives built by Armstrong Whitworth between 1936 and 1938.

The fireman is putting in the bag but no doubt enjoying the sea air for a change.

 As 45239, this engine was a Trafford Park (9E) locomotive for a long time (my notebook says I 'copped' it there on May 20, 1967)
before moving to Bolton (9K) at the end of its life.

Model engineers will note the cross head vacuum pump below the slidebars, a feature later removed from all Stanier-design
engines as it was judged unnecessary.

As the LMS experts say, the 'Black Fives' were a company 'standard' design, but very few looked totally alike!

Roger Carvell.






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March 16th 2014.

 Here is another '6G' photo, photographer unknown.

 It shows LMS 'Standard' 4F 0-6-0 44525 on shed, looking quite presentable following a works visit,
perhaps c.1959 (before the era of electrification flashes). It left '6G' in December 1964.

It went on to outlive all its 772 class mates and was the final 4F to be officially withdrawn, in January 1966, at Crewe Works, where it
was employed as an internal shunter.

 I recorded it there on January 10, 1966 during a works visit, along with sister locomotive 44377, according to my notebook.

Happy days!  Roger Carvell.




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March 15th 2014.

4464 "Bittern" at Winwick today with the outward leg of the Cumbrian Ranger running from Tyseley- Crewe- Carlisle and return.




"Bittern" with the return leg this evening of the above train at Warrington Bank Quay.




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March 9th 2014.


Mystery - Compound 4-4-0 at Llandudno Junction.

Bit of a mystery one this. It's a Compound all right, common on the North Wales coast in LMS and BR days, but this one,
'M930' was never a North Wales example.  There's a '17A', Derby shedplate for a start.
 The train seems to be a local with single headlamp, and one of the crew is absorbing the Conway air
on the platform, probably thinking 'life isn't so bad after all'.

The photographer has coped well with the tricky lighting, almost sun overhead although some of the station canopy has 'burnt out'.

M930 shows the interim numbering adopted post-1948 before things settled down with '4' prefixes and a 'ferret and dartboard'.

This is engine was built by Vulcan Foundry and entered traffic on the LMS at Derby in May 1927 and was withdrawn at
'22B' Gloucester (Barnwood) almost 30 years later, in April 1957.

Why M930 was on the North Wales coast at this time, on a local, will remain a mystery but it's all good fun speculating, isn't it?

The 1948/49/50? photo is credited to 'Locomotive & General Photographs'.

Roger Carvell.





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March 3rd 2014.

Here is pic of the 'south end' of '6G', perhaps taken on a Sunday summer's mid-morning in 1965, by the shadows thus.

Left to right; a NER visitor, Mirfield's Black 5, 44694, a long-time west Yorkshire engine, then '6G's' Standard 75029 and 45045, 75029 luckily went on to
better things and is at present, on the North York Moors Railway although I am not sure if this engine is serviceable at the moment.

 I really ought to go up there and look. A restored '6G' shedplate, re-attached, would be nice.

The photo is credited to 'G.Harrop'.

Roger Carvell.





February 24th 2014.

Another rummage in the photo box! Attached is an uncredited and undated pic of Caprotti Black 5, 44740, approaching
Llandudno Junction with a down summer Saturday relief. The '6G' engine is ex-works, fresh from either Crewe or Horwich, perhaps.

 The neat Stanier excursion coaches make for a complete LMS train, c.1959-60.

I wonder if that is the newly-completed washing machine factory on the left?

Roger Carvell.





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February 23rd 2014.

Here is another early BR-era shot, this time of a G2 at Llandudno Junction, photographer unknown. The caption
states '49145'. The engine clearly has steam to spare (and leak) as it grandly gets away with a 'Class H' through freight.

 The engine has been BR renumbered but in the LMS style, so that narrows it to the 1948-52 era. 49145 was not a '6B', Mold Junction engine
but by 1953 it was allocated to Watford Junction, '1C' , but had been deleted from the Ian Allan Locoshed book of 1957.
 By that time, the 'local' LNWR 0-8-0s had left the North Wales coast line for good, although some did work in from
other areas until at least 1962/3.
Roger Carvell.





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February 12th 2014.

Another rare shot of a Webb 2-4-2 T at 6G from Roger Carvell.


Here is another for '6G'. This picture shows ex-LNWR Webb 2-4-2T, freshly renumbered 46658, on a turn of shunting into
and out of the goods warehouses near the Llandudno Jct No.2 signalbox.

 This photo must date from about 1949/50. The engine appears to show a red lamp, in accordance with
the rules and regulations for shunting or pilot duties and I think the locomotive would next reverse into the warehouse sidings.

The four vans appear to be 'Fruit' vans, most likely for the Fyffes banana warehouse. I expect bananas, after years of absence, due to
the then recent second world war, were very welcome!

Roger Carvell.





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February 6th 2014.

Two more photos from Roger Carvell are shown below.


The first shot is by me of BR Standard 2MT 2-6-2T 84003, alongside the shed, and by the look of it never to steam again.

It was seen in the summer of 1965, with a quoted withdrawal date of 9/65. Note the piles of coal adjacent to its bunker, and also seen by the side of sister loco, behind, 84009.
It looks as if the coal has been shovelled out for further use on other engines, or for shed use in the winter.

The second pic shows resident '6G' 84003, this time in steam alongside Class 3F 0-6-0T 47598. From published records, this engine came to Llandudno Junction in
April 1964, transferring in from Rugby '2A'. Prior to that it had been a Stoke, '5D' engine. 47598 left for Mold Junction, '6B', in May 1965 and when that shed closed it's
final allocation was Chester, '6A'. Incidentally, Cleve Jones, a former Mold Junction fireman tells me that the LMS Standard 3F 0-6-0T was nicknamed 'Humpy' at that
location. This lends further evidence that the popular 'Jinty' nickname was perhaps enthusiast inspired, but no-one is owning up to it! The newly rebuilt shed roof, proudly
proclaiming '1957' is plain to see. What a pity the shed had only a further nine years of steam activity.

Roger Carvell.






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February 4th 2014.

46229 is shown at 6G with the outward leg of the NWCE on July 17th 1991.




Duchess of Hamilton with the return leg waits at Holyhead.





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Another past preservation special from Peter Wolfe showing A4 60009 "Union of South Africa" masquerading as A1 60131 "Osprey" with the
August 22nd 1990 NWCE leaving Chester with the outward leg and then waiting to leave with the homeward leg at Holyhead.





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February 3rd 2014.

An interesting photo, from 1937, sent in by Roger Carvell is shown below.
As Roger points out the state of the shed roof at this time looks very precarious and it's surprising to think that it wasn't until
1957 that it was finally replaced.


LMS-era photo taken in 1937 (H.N.James).

A pull-push ex-LNWR Webb 2-4-2T, 6635, is ready for duty while new-built 'Black Five' 5253 gets attention from the cleaners.

The state of the roof must have been of concern- the front two smoke vents are missing and there is a sizeable hole in the roof itself!

5253 must have been on '7A's allocation at that time but I can't find any reference to it being stationed in the area
during later BR days. In 1961, it was a Saltley engine.

 As to the eventual fate of 6635, I leave that to the LNW experts!

Roger Carvell.




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January 28th 2014.

Two photos of Patriots by Colour Rail on local duties.

LMS 5529 "Sir Herbert Walker K.C.B" waits at the Junction in August 1936.




Unnamed Patriot 45510 at Llandudno with an excursion in June 1963.




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January 28th 2014.

Another rare shot and detail from Roger Carvell.


46237 'City of Bristol' is minus its leading coupled axle and wheel set at Llandudno Junction shed, after attending the wheel drop circa 1961/62.

 An educated guess would suggest it must have either run hot or encountered another problem while running in from
Crewe on the once-celebrated 09.25 Crewe to Bangor or Holyhead turn.

No doubt the bakelite railway telephones had been buzzing between '6G' and Crewe Works.

 The engine is ex-works in BR green and the shedplate suggests Carlisle Upperby (12B) which dates the photo to the 1961-62 period.

46237 then transferred to Carlisle Kingmoor (12A) and became one of the last of its class to be removed from traffic at the end of September 1964.

 As spotters, and many railwaymen alike, we were all stunned and shocked by their sudden withdrawal when there was
still a remaining need for Stanier's masterpiece on the heaviest trains over Shap to Carlisle and Glasgow.
 
An English Electric Type 4 was no match for the haulage and hill-climbing capabilities of a Stanier Pacific!

Perhaps someone else could shed a little more on this story?





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January 24th 2014.

An email from Roger Carvell and a photo by an unknown photographer are reproduced below.


EE Type 4 D230 Sycthia leaves Llandudno Junction with a train for Birmingham New Street in 1966. - a headcode can be faintly seen in the
upper centre window. The first coach is an LMS-design post-war 'porthole' brake third that has been freshly
repainted in BR corporate blue and grey. Not many LMS day passenger vehicles were treated as such. I understand the British Railways Board
was anxious to rid the network of wooden-framed passenger coaches by 1970, due to the higher speeds then been obtained on the WCML and
elsewhere The last LMS-design coach (excluding parcels vehicles) I saw down the coast was in 1969.
Roger Carvell , Hitchin, (ECML)




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January 22nd 2014.

The shot below by Ian Cook was taken at Bury Bolton Street station on the East Lancashire Railway showing 76084 waiting to leave
for Rawtenstall on January 5th 2014.





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January 20th 2014.

An email and a superb rare 6G photo are reproduced below from Roger Carvell.

70046 may have been a "stink" all those years ago but I bet millions of old spotters would give their right arm
to see the old "stink" again. Great shot Roger!


I have been reading through the Llandudno Junction topics and very interesting they are too. Many thanks for bringing us this website. The J.M.Dunn article on
the Blaenau Ffestiniog branch was interesting, more so, since it showed a 'Cravens' dmu at the terminus, surely a rare type there!

I submit my modest contribution below, my own photo, perhaps the best I took that day in far off August 1965 while on a North Wales 'Runabout'
ticket from Flint, then my home town.

 Britannia No. 70046 'Anzac' at rest on a quiet Saturday afternoon at 6G.

I remember a fitter walking out to us and jokingly saying, 'Right, let's have your names!'

70046 was known as a 'stinker' among the Flint spotters at the time, due to its daily appearances, but then it was doing what it was built for!

If I find anything else I will pass it on. Keep up the good work.

Kind regards,
Roger Carvell, Hitchin, (ECML)




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January 20th 2014.
Two shots of Black Five 5407 with the Ynys Món Express on October 28th 1989 by Peter Wolfe.

Waiting at 6G with the outward leg.



Leaving Holyhead with the homeward leg.





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January 20th 2014.

Dave Wood took these shots at The East Lancs Railway yesterday (19/01/14)


Black Five 45407 at Burrs on January 19th 2014 with a Bury - Rawtenstall train.




76084 passes Ramsbottom box with a Rawtenstall train on January 19th 2014.




80080 at Burrs en route to Bury on January 19th 2014.




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January 13th 2014.

Two photos from Peter Wolfe below show 71000 "Duke of Gloucester" with the North Wales Coast Express on July 25th 1990.

Leaving 6G onto the branch to Llandudno.





71000 backs onto the train at Holyhead.




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January 7th 2014.

Two more shots from Peter Wolfe from Monday 10th July 1989 at
Llandudno Junction when LMS 6201 'Princess Elizabeth' worked a special in
aid of The Royal British Legion (training).

The first shot shows the train approaching 6G with the outward leg while the second shot shows the footplate crew
 waiting for the "off" with the homeward leg.





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Britannia 70013 'Oliver Cromwell' at Beeston with the "Christmas Cheshireman" Bristol - Crewe on November 30th 2013.
PHOTO - DAVE WOOD




Black Fives 44871 and 45407 double-headed at Beeston on November 30th 2013 with the Euston - Crewe "Cathedrals Express"
PHOTO - DAVE WOOD








Another view of 70013 at Beeston with the "Christmas Cheshireman" Bristol - Crewe on November 30th 2013.
PHOTO - IEUAN WOOD








Ex - GWR 0-6-0 Pannier Tank 1501 leaves Ramsbottom on the ELR and passes the signal box with a
Rawtenstall train on October 26th 2013.







B1 'Impala' 61002 arrives at Goathland on the NYMR with the 16-30 Grosmont - Pickering train while Black Five 45428 waits to pass
with the 16-00 Pickering - Grosmont train, on July 11th 2013.







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