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THIS SERIES OF PAGES SHOWS ARCHIVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF WORKING STEAM
ON THE LMS, LNER AND LNWR REGIONS DURING THE STEAM ERA,
WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN PUBLISHED BEFORE.

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COMPILED AND EDITED BY GEOFF POOLE
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August 9th 2013.
Two shots of Black Five 45231 with the outward leg of the North Wales Coast Express taken from Llandudno Junction signal box by relief Signaller
Alan Roberts, on Sunday August 4th 2013.





Alan Roberts also sent in this shot of the original sidings that took the locomotives off the main line on to 6G during the "Glorious Years"
The vegetation is slowly hiding these links with the past.



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July 30th 2013.

LNER K4 class 2-6-0 no. 61994 "The Great Marquess" paid another visit to our region today with the 'Welsh Mountaineer'.

The Preston  - Blaenau Ffestiniog special was over 30 minutes late arriving at Llandudno Junction on the outward leg but left Blaenau on time
with the return leg.


This first shot by Dave Wood shows an early morning run at Red Bank.




The next shot shows the train approaching Glan Conwy en route to Blaenau Ffestiniog still behind time after the
late arrival at Llandudno Junction.     (Photo - Geoff Poole)




The early evening return run, now on time, approaching Tan y Bryn footbridge Mochdre.





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July 29th 2013.

Black Five no. 45305 fights her way through Mochdre, in this rooftop shot, with yesterday's outward leg of the
North Wales Coast Express, en route to Holyhead (after a short detour to Llandudno).

She was then turned on the triangle at Valley before returning for her passengers at Llandudno and then
returning home to Liverpool Lime Street.




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July 29th 2013.

Dave Wood had a long day on Saturday July 27th 2013 when he "chased" the "Duchess" early morning from Liverpool Lime Street
on the Cumbrian Mountain Express. He tells me he started the day at 5am and didn't get home until early evening.

The three shots below show LMS Coronation Class 4-6-2 no 46233 Duchess of Sutherland [6233] first at
Eccleston Park then at Ribblehead and finally at Thatto Heath , St Helens.





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July 24th 2013.
Thanks to Dave Wood for this interesting shot of a Carnforth - Southall movement yesterday at Winwick.


BR(S) Rebuilt Light Pacific 4-6-2 no 34046 Braunton is double-headed with Class 57 no. 57 313.




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July 10th 2013.

An email from Stephen Hughes and a very rare photo from 1939, taken by his late father, are reproduced below.

Hello Geoff,

I've always admired the 6G website and so I thought that it was about time that I sent the one photograph from
 my late father's small collection that was taken at Llandudno Junction station, which may be of interest.

 Typical of my father in his early years, I have quite a bit of information supporting the photo of Fowler 2-6-2 No 49.
 The date was Monday 5th June 1939.

This loco had just brought in the 5pm train from Llanberis, on which my father had travelled.

 The train consisted of four carriages (Numbers. 22419, 16463, 22686, 25843.)
 Presumably this train terminated at the Junction as 49 does not appear to be coupled to any stock...

I wonder what is happening? Was 49 a 6G loco at the time or from Bangor?
 I think that it looks like platform 4, although I am happy to be corrected.
 My father then continued on his journey to Betws-y-coed with No 6682 on the 6.52pm departure.


I'm sorry about the poor quality of the photograph.
 The years have not been kind to the few photos that I have, and my father (G E Hughes) was not the best of photographers!

I would like to acknowledge 'Transport Treasury' who very kindly digitalised the negative.

Regards
Stephen Hughes




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July 10th 2013.
The photo below of Black Five 44932 was a loco movement BRISTOL- HEREFORD - CREWE- CARNFORTH
taken at Winwick on July 1st 2013 by Ieuan Wood.




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27th June 2013.

Dave Wood got these shots of LMS Royal Scot Class 4-6-0 no 46115 "Scots Guardsman" yesterday.

The Scot was pulling the Lancaster - Carlisle "Fellsman".

Dave points out that somewhere along the line the "Fellsman" headboard (first shot) was inexplicably changed to the
"Scarborough Spa Express" (second shot) - Very strange!

Dave did well with the first shot as it was taken in very dark conditions so he used ISO 1600 which did the trick.
This shot was at LOSTOCK JUNCTION.




This second shot was taken north of Hellifield at Helwith Bridge with the changed headboard.





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June 27th 2013.


Ieuan Wood sent in this great shot of double - headed 46233 and 5043 at Wigan North Western on June 15th 2013 with the
Tyseley - Carlisle "Cumbrian Conqueror".

Ieuan tells me that he has never seen steam go so fast through Wigan before as these two stormed through with the express.






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June 10th 2013.
Ieuan Wood posted this shot of 46233 "Duchess of Sutherland" leaving York on June 8th 2013 with a Newcastle train.




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May 11th 2013.

Ken Mumford was out early this morning to catch this shot of regular visitor to the North Wales coast 'Castle Class' No. 5043 "Earl of Mount Edgcumbe"
pulling the CHELTENHAM FLYER.
Tyseley Warwick Road - London Paddington which took in Gloucester - Swindon - Paddington - Swindon  - Gloucester.

 Ken's shot below shows the train between Ashbury Crossing, Shrivenham and Compton Beauchamp this morning.





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May 8th 2013.

Ken Mumford braved the elements on Friday February 10th 2012, to take some great night shots
at Haworth Shed on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway photo shoot.

Some great atmospheric shots here.

Five of Ken's photos are shown below.






The many photog's who took up the chance of the shoot.





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May 4th 2013.

Ken Mumford writes:

The  photo below was taken from the bridge over the railway near Matalan, Greenbridge at 10-50 a.m. this morning (03/05/2013).

The train is from Bristol via Gloucester, Swindon and then heading for Didcot, Oxford, Moreton-in-Marsh and Worcester where there
is a break of a few hours whilst the loco is serviced and its passengers explore that city.

The train returns to Bristol via Abergavenny, Severn Tunnel Junction , but not going through the Severn Tunnel (4 miles 628 yards long) but heading for
Gloucester via Chepstow, then down the ex-Midland line to Bristol.

The steam locomotive heading this train is No. 34067 'Tangmere' (named after an RAF station in Kent).
Designed by Oliver Bulleid for the Southern Railway and built as World War 2 was finishing, these
locomotives have the nickname 'SPAM-CANS' because looking at them head-on they look like those
tins of Spam that one can buy in any supermarket.

 However, some of the original Spam-Cans were rebuilt and thus do not look anything like those tins of spam meat.

At my location the wind was blowing quite fiercely and 34067 was making a tremendous effort to accelerate up to its maximum
permitted speed of 75 mph.





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May 2nd 2013.

A shot by Dave Wood of yesterday's light movement (Washwood Heath - Carnforth) of
  LNER B1 Class 4-6-0 no 61306 at RedBank, Wigan.




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April 24th 2013.

  THE GREAT BRITAIN VI 
Day 3
Cardiff - Preston
Monday 22 April 2013

LM Class 5MT 4-6-0 numbers 45407 and 44871

The two shots below, by John Frodsham, show the double - header waiting for the off at Frodsham station and then
crossing the Frodsham viaduct heading for Preston.




This shot by Ieuan Wood was taken at Wigan en route for Preston.




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April 20th 2013.

A1 - 60163 "Tornado"visits the North Wales Coast main line for the first time earlier today, with the outward leg of the
London Euston - Holyhead "Cathedrals Express" seen here passing Abergele.

Tornado actually failed at Rhyl on its return journey with no air for brakes - heavy delays along the coast.
Class 57 from Holyhead came to the rescue.
(ALAN ROBERTS)



Another great shot by John Frodsham showing the vivid blue livery at Penmaenmawr with the ill-fated return evening leg.



A storming shot at Bodorgan, Anglesey by Dave Wood.



Entering Penmaenmawr station.






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March 7th 2013.
Unrebuilt Bulleid Pacific Battle of Britain class No. 34067 "Tangmere" at Winwick, earlier today, with an ECS movement
from Carnforth to Southall.




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February 28th 2013.

Dave Wood spent the day at the East Lancashire Railway last Sunday (24/02/2013).
He took the following photos at Bury Bolton Street station.



K4 2-6-0 No.61994 "The Great Marquess" prepares to leave Bury Bolton Street station.




Ex- LNER  " CNR" No.1744 (69523) 0-6-2T N2 built with condensing apparatus and small chimney
leaves with the 14.10 train to Rawtenstall.





K1 No. 62005 waits at Bury Bolton Street station.





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ENGINEERS INSPECTION SALOON TRAINS

ARTICLE BY JOHN HOBBS

January 19th 2013.


These trains were operated at the behest of the District Civil Engineer, District Motive Power Superintendent , etc they ran for
 specific purposes such as inspecting fencing or inspection of specific engineering structures such as bridges or culverts, or on
 occasions signal sighting in connection with proposed signalling alterations.
 However they could also be utilised to meet staff in remote locations, as the use of cars in earlier days was limited and if the
officer had his staff with him it may have been appropriate to use the saloon to visit somewhere like Menai Bridge Yard
which had no road access in any event.

The trains consisted of the Inspection Saloon and a smaller locomotive, often a Class 4 Tank or a Class 2 - 2-6-0; this was because
a reasonable water capacity was required for a long day out.
In addition the train could stop in a signal section to allow an inspection of some specific item of infrastructure.

The coach was usually propelled but on other occasions it was pulled. There was no method of communication between the coach
 and locomotive often the driver would look through the coach to see signals, a brake valve was provided at each end to stop the coach
 and locomotive if required for operational or inspection purposes; in addition a locomotive inspector also travelled on the vehicle.

Each Divisional Engineer would have had his own saloon and sometimes in the nineteenth century and early twentieth century a
specific locomotive and crew would have been allocated to the duty permanently, such coaches and locomotives were allocated
 at Crewe and Bangor for example.

A small kitchen or galley was provided to make hot drinks and light refreshments could be provided if required, a steward
 being allocated for this purpose.

The vehicles were fitted with a gong to warn persons on the track of its approach and steps were fitted to the side of the vehicle to assist
in leaving the vehicle, if there was no platform.

A selection of these trains is shown in various locations below.



BR Standard Class 2 2-6-0 78003 at Bodant Bridge, Prestatyn with, on turn 1Z01, on the 17th June 1964.






LMS Class 4 2-6-4T 42606 propels an inspection saloon through Prestatyn, on turn 1Z01, on the down slow on 23rd June 1964.








Propelling an elderly Inspection Saloon, off what looks like pre-grouping origin,  on the "Up Slow", through Prestatyn is BR Standard
 Class 4 4-6-0 75012, it  has received a bit of a clean up for the duty.
 The Saloon had been worked earlier in the day probably as far as Trawsfynydd Lake (to the flask loading siding), and also probably the
 first Saloon to reach this location from Llanduduno Junction and almost certainly the only BR Standard Class 4
 to reach Trawsfynydd, all this on 31st July 1964.
  Any further information on the coach or the reasons for the working would be appreciated.






LMS design and BR built Ivatt Class 2MT 2-6-2T 41234 propels an Inspection Saloon into Prestatyn, on the
down slow line, on the 27th August 1964.





Stanier 2-6-4 T, No. 42567 passes Rhyl Sands with 1Z01, an Engineers special, on September 1st 1963.




47594 passes Prestatyn with Observation Coach. May 20th, 1987.





31296 returns through Rhyl after being named "Amlwch Freighter" at Amlwch September 3rd 1986.





47519 at Rhyl with staff coach on September 15th 1986.
20113 & 20052 passing through behind.




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January 19th 2013.
Ieuan Wood took these four shots at the East Lancashire Railway today.
John Hobbs tells me that he was on duty as the Responsibility Officer at the ELR on the day Ieuan took the shots below.
Quite a coincidence as John's Inspection Saloons article was published above on the same date as Ieuan's photos.



Class 5 No. 45407 leaves Bury Bolton Street station.





0-6-0 T No. 47584 at Bury.






West Country class No.34046 "Braunton" approaches Bury Bolton Street station with a Rawtenstall train
as 0-6-0 T No. 47584 waits to come off shed





Class 5 No. 44871 waits at Bury Bolton Street station with a Rawtenstall train,




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December 4th 2012.

6201 "Princess Elizabeth" at Beeston earlier today with the Slough - Chester Cathedrals Express.





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November 21st 2012.

A small selection of specials from 2010 by John Frodsham is shown below.


The first shot shows 6201 "Princess Elizabeth" at Frodsham heading into North Wales with the "North Wales Coast Express"
on August 22nd 2010.




6201 after passing through Mochdre and Pabo en route to Llandudno Junction.




This one shows the same train skirting Conwy castle.




8F No 48151 with the "Welsh Mountaineer" waits at Frodsham station for the off to Bleanau Ffestiniog on August 25th 2010.



The same train approaching Tal y Cafn en route to Bleanau Ffestiniog.



The Llangollen Santa train at Carrog on December 18th 2010 pulled by Black Five 44806.





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November 16th 2012.
"Princess" class No. 6201 'Princess Elizabeth' passes under the wires at Winwick this afternoon with a support coach movement from Tyseley to Carnforth in
preparation for hauling tomorrows "Cumbrian Mountaineer" from Carnforth to Carlisle then return to Crewe before being diesel hauled to Tyseley.

The photographer Dave Wood, tells me that the shot was taken in atrocious weather conditions.






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November 15th 2012.

An email from Allan Judd is reproduced below in which he explains that looking through the website he came across Dave Wood's shot of 80072 on the Ken Wood Photo Page (1)
and remembered that he took a shot of the same engine at Woodhams yard at Barry in September 1985.

The two shots are shown below for comparison.

Allan also comments on the exquisite shot by John Frodsham of A4 60009 "Union of South Africa" crossing Frodsham Viaduct, which I make no apologies for showing again
below, with the North Wales Coast Express on July 29th 2012.



Hello Geoff.
 
Was just having a browse around 6G and in particular noticed a good shot of Dave Wood's of Standard Tank 80072 on the Llangollen Railway
(near bottom of Ken Wood Photo Collection Page 1).
   I remembered taking a photo of it at Barry in September 1985  on my one and only visit there (sadly), and thought you may like a comparison shot.
 







Another photograph which I feel compelled to make a comment on is John Frodsham's 60009 'Union of South Africa' crossing Frodsham Viaduct.
   When you think of what could have gone wrong with the taking of that photo it is just an incredible photograph, in fact I would even say a 'work of art'.
 
 
Best Wishes
 
Allan





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November 4th 2012.

Allan Judd who compiled the Allan Judd photo pages, on this website, has sent in the two photos below and I have also reproduced below
his email to me, Alan Roberts and Dave Wood.

Allan came across these historic shots in his collection, taken in the Llanfair PG signal box over fifty years ago, and because of the link with
Alan Roberts and Dave Wood, as will be seen in his email below, he thought it
would be appropriate to include Alan and Dave in the notes.

Alan Roberts compiles the two Signalling pages on this website and his photo (below) is the one Allan refers to in the email, and
Dave Wood is the son of Ken Wood who operated the Llanfair signal box at the time of the photos and who also took the
silhouette shot of Allan in the box with the Black Five approaching.

Allan Judd's photo of Ken Wood looking out of the window of LlanfairPG box is also shown below.




Hello 'All' - Hope all is well with you all.

Over some months I have been scanning slides and negatives onto my computer and came across two very old black and white '126' negatives
(from a 'Brownie' camera of 1950's vintage) tucked/hidden away and belonging to the same set as the photo's I took at Llanfair in 1963.
 

These two negatives below were never printed as they must have been of too poor quality, 126 negatives as you may know were about two and a half times
as big as a 35mm negative, however there were some parts of the negatives. which caught my interest so I thought I would cut them down to 35mm size
and try and scan them in, which as you will see was partially successful. Firstly and most significantly the shot of the levers in Llanfair box shows, not
too clearly I'm afraid, just right of centre at the very top of the photograph, one of the two 'line blocked' brass plates
Dave was trying to identify some time ago.

The other negative shows me standing in exactly the same position in Llanfair box as the photograph of you Alan, in the box in 2008 at beginning of your
'Signalling over Wales' pages and shows the old crossing gate wheel and even more interesting what looks like a
Black 5 on the 'down', memories flooding
back again.

 The thing you will find interesting, to say the least Dave, is that your dad took this photograph.

Fascinating my first real view of two photographs taken almost 50 years ago !

What more can I say !!

All Good Wishes

Allan.








The photo below shows Alan Roberts in the same position in Llanfair box as Allan Judd , taken from
Alan's Signalling page mentioned above.





This shot below shows Ken Wood looking out of the box window and gives a good view of the main line towards the station.





A reply email from Alan Roberts is reproduced below.


Allan,


Many thanks indeed for the photos of Llanfair PG - poor photos or not, they are still good photos taken with a Kodak Brownie 50 years ago !


Looking at the photos to compare with the box today its very hard to imagine an 18 lever frame + gate wheel in the box and must have been

a very tight squeeze between the gate wheel and lever No1 and lever No18 must have been few inches away from the wall on the station side.


I notice in the photo with the Black 5 that there was another electricity pylon located nearer to the crossing to compare with the

400Kv super grid one of today (bit further away).


Anyway, hope all is well with you.


Regards,


Alan.




 A final reply from Allan Judd which sums everything up.


Hello Alan,

Many thanks for your thoughts on Llanfair box and the photographs. They certainly brought all sorts of thoughts and memories rushing back to
me about Llanfair box and the many hours
I spent there.

Thinking about the operation of the box it was quite restricted between the gate wheel and No.1 lever also with the instrument shelf.

The other thing that caused a few problems were the 'staff'' lockers, wooden twin units (each approx. 18" cube), operating the gates could
be a bit restricted because of the locker units to the left immediately inside the door, looking at your photo, where the sink unit is now.

There was also a full coat rack which was above that locker unit.
 

Another twin locker was under the the small square window to the left of the fireplace.

The box register was kept on that little square window sill. There wasn't room for a table, the twin locker top served as a table.

There wasn't room for a fancy comfortable chair either only a wooden padded dining room type chair.

The other restriction was to do with the levers, the 'up' levers weren't a problem but when the down levers, crossover and gate stops/locks were pulled
you had to be careful otherwise
you could crack yourself on the fireplace/mantelpiece.

The 'down' distant was an especially difficult lever to pull it had a hell of a counterweight under the frame on which someone had painted a face. 

The wickets were quite easy but the easiest lever to pull was the 'up' distant which was a single colour light unit.

Just looking at the photograph of yours Alan I wonder if the current No.3 lever was once the lever for the 'up' distant (No.17), I only remember
there being one 'short topped (stub)' lever. (Wonder
if it is yellow under it's blue, white and brown paint ?)

You mention about the pylon near to the crossing I am sure I remember an electricity sub-station right next to that pylon.

I also recall sitting on the window sill and listening to the tracking/crackling of the electricity on the insulators on dismal
damp days, especially at night when all was 'quiet'.

Well that's enough for now.

Very best wishes,

Allan.

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An email from Alan Roberts to Allan Judd, is reproduced below.
(November 5th 2012)


Allan, (Judd)
 
Many thanks for the interesting e-mails and photos.
 
I was working Llanfair PG earlier today.
 
Regarding levers 1 - 4 in the box today. They are in the same place to what they used to be when 1 - 18 fitted.
 
Levers can be exchanged over by the S&T Department so No17 is not necessarily lever 3 as it stands today.
 
When the box became a gate box under the control of Bangor it still had a full lever frame of 18 levers (minus the gate wheel).

Think the gate lock lever was No9 (no diagram in front of me at the moment) In 1974 the frame
was reduced to 4 levers and levers 5 - 18 taken away and the floor covered up.
 
The site of the original electricity pylon which carried power from Treborth to Llanfair PG substation (via alongside Britannia Bridge
on older pylons) is now a taxi office. Yes, even the supergrid 400Kv crackle in wet weather.
 
Sorry for the delay, just moved house to Colwyn Bay.
 
Regards, Alan (Roberts)


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November 7th 2012.

An email from Allan Judd is reproduced below thanking me for publishing his details and also thanking Alan Roberts for his input.


Hello Geoff and Alan,
 
Many thanks for your e-mails.
 
Excellent Geoff, there are no errors or changes, it's fine, in fact perfect. 
Thank you for your good work.   Hope you managed to get a good nights sleep ?.
 
Thank you also for your good work and information Alan, you obviously take very
much more than an average interest in your work, and get a great deal of pleasure
out of researching queries that arise.   I actually looked at Google earth (street view)
and could see that some buildings to the left just over the crossing were in use so I
was interested to hear that there is a taxi office where the sub-station once was.
 
Something light !, I have attached a photograph (see photo below text) which you may find a little interesting.
Many people think that 60163 'Tornado' was the only steam locomotive 'built' in
Darlington in recent years, well there was another :-
 
Once again - Thank You
 
Best Wishes Allan.


To celebrate the rich railway heritage of Darlington, this sculpture (photo below) was commissioned and created in 1997 by David Mach.
 
Visitors can park at the Morrisons Morton Park shopping area and walk along special footpaths to reach the sculpture.

Once there, the adventurous can climb to the platform overlooking the train from above. The sculpture is signposted from surrounding roads.
 
The Darlington “Brick Train” was opened on Monday, 23rd June 1997 by Lord Palumbo of Walbrook is situated next to Morrisons on Morton Park Industrial Estate.

Modelled on the 1938 record setting, 126mph steam locomotive “Mallard”.

Funded by the National Lottery, Wm Morrison Supermarkets, Northern Arts, Department of National Heritage, Darlington Borough Council and
headed by sculptor David Mach the project reputedly cost c £760k.
 
A total of 185,000 bricks were used in its construction along with 170 cubic meters of concrete. The train weighs 15,000 tonnes and covers an area of 600sq meters.
It is of hollow construction and measures 23ft high by 130ft long. It took a team of 34 brick layers, labourers and apprentices 21 weeks to build.
 
In addition, there are even 20 special ‘bat’ bricks built in at various places to encourage the nocturnal creatures to use it as their home.

Local schools also donated ‘time capsules’ which were put inside the train.
 








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October 31st 2012.

Dave Wood has sent in these four rare shots showing construction of the new road deck on the
reconstructed Britannia Bridge over the Menai Straits.


Dave tells me that his wife Rhian, who took the undated shots sometime between 1978 /1980 - for a school project, had a long
wait for permission from Fairclough Construction
Company for access to the site, but it was obviously worth waiting for.





     



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October 31st 2012.

This shot below by Ieuan Wood shows 4472 "Flying Scotsman" arriving at Scarborough in 2005 with the "Sundowner", passing underneath
the spectacular long - gone signal gantry.





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