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This page is a follow on to the original NEWSPAGE
and also a follow on to the LOCAL RAILWAY NEWS PAGE (1).

  Both of these archive pages can still be accessed from the index on the HOMEPAGE.

Submissions of anything newsworthy would be appreciated and can be sent through the email link on the HOMEPAGE.

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September 23rd 2017.

An recent email from Ian Slater, who now lives in Tasmania, is reproduced below.
Showing that people are still finding the 6G site for the first time.
Many thanks Ian for your interest and kind words.

Hi Geoff
I just wanted to say that I found your page today for the first time and what a treasure trove it is !

I stumbled on it following a link to Ian Cook's trainspotting log-like him I lived near Stockport and we are of similar ages, now I live in
Tasmania, a long way from my schoolboy stamping ground.

Keep up the good work!

Regards
Ian Slater



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July 21st 2017.



An Assembly Member, who has long been calling for improved direct rail links between Liverpool and North Wales, has welcomed this week’s announcement
 that work to reinstate the ‘Halton Curve’ is underway.  

New services that will unlock leisure and business opportunities between the Liverpool City Region, its airport, Cheshire and North Wales will be made
 possible through the re-signalling and upgrading of 1.5 miles of existing single direction track on the ‘Halton Curve'.

Work has now started on site and is due to be completed by May 2018, with services due to operate between Liverpool and Chester from
 December 2018 and plans for services to be extended into Wales in the future.

Clwyd West AM Darren Millar, who over the years has repeatedly called on the Welsh Government to work with the UK Government to restore
 direct rail services between Liverpool and North Wales, said:

“I have been campaigning for years to get a direct service between North Wales and Liverpool reinstated so I am
 absolutely delighted that these works are underway.

"Liverpool is an important commercial centre and improving transport links will provide a huge boost to the North Wales economy in terms of access to jobs and promoting tourism.
 Shifting passengers from road to rail is also good for the environment.

“The new services will generate 250,000 new rail trips annually and will take more than 170,000 car journeys per year off the roads, helping reduce
 traffic and congestion on key routes such as the M56 and A55.

"North Wales has not enjoyed a direct rail link with Liverpool since the 1970s, when it was incredibly popular for shoppers, commuters and tourists.

“This is a very exciting development and I look forward to seeing the huge benefits it will bring to North Wales.” 




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July 18th 2017.

An email from Michael Butterworth is reproduced below.
Michael asks if anyone could identify the two Class 68's he caught site of at Bangor with the flasks on July 14th 2017.

I wonder if they are the same pair that Mark Youdan snapped on July 10th 2017 (68 016 & 68 028) which is on
 Charlie Hulme's website NORTH WALES COAST RAILWAY notice board of July 17th 2017.



Morning Geoff,

Just returned to GM base after some time helping friends in north Anglesey.

A friend gave me a lift out but I returned from Bangor with my faithful
Deefa (... dog) by train.


Dropped at Bangor by the same friend and, whilst struggling with  multiple bags, ticket machine and Deefa I caught a glimpse of a dual
Class 68 hauled Valley flasks passing on the rarely used through lines, Crewe bound.



That was around !4:30, last Friday ( 14th July 2017 }

I was wondering if anybody you know out there can identify the two 68s in question.


Haven't seen either a dual 68 flask train until Friday or any use of the Bangor through lines, for their original purpose, for many many years.


Last recollection of the latter was a long time back.  The midday Irish
Mail bursting through at full tilt behind a Coronation Scot ... echoed
splendidly with the enclosing valley sides, between tunnels.


Somehow we never realise these things are ephemeral.  Possibly some steam excursions to Holyhead may provide some similar latter day
spectacle, as Bangor is rarely a stop for them.


To and fro this summer as I'm helping my friend making his long neglected yacht seaworthy, as well as recovering 50% of a large
overgrown vegetable plot for an older friend overlooking Amlwch Port. 
Garden with a view!


Hope all is well with you.

 Best wishes, Michael (mikb)



PS caught a fortuitous shot on return with my faithful hound, between trains, at Chester ... note the station sign between the joined Voyagers
(221109 Marco Polo /104 Sir John Franklin) ... well suited to a "Deefa between trains" caption, as we changed from Arriva's Birmingham train to
the Piccadilly service.

Nice shot Michael!





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July 17th 2017.

An email and photo from Tony Crowther are published below showing Tony as a young boy with his grandfather R.V.Jones "Bob Bychan" on
Blaenau Ffestiniog station.

Hello Geoff,
Nice to see 6G website still running for all these years, congratulations on an outstanding website.
 

I wish to forward the photo of such memorable childhood memories of train rides up to Blaenau Ffestiniog with my 6G train driver Grandfather R V Jones or as
 better known at 6G throughout his Railway career , Bob Bychan.

 This photo was taken by his wife Barbara on Blaenau station in the summer of 1977.
 The little fella is me who stands in front of Bob.
 

As you can see he was one of the many drivers who wore his own cap for work.
 I think Alan Roberts has said in the past he had photos of all the  drivers with their own caps but not one of Bychan.
 Hope this brings a few memories of Bob Bychan to many who still remember him.


Many thanks
Tony Crowther.





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Steam Dreams

   THE CATHEDRALS EXPRESS   


Wednesday 1 March 2017

LMS Jubilee Class 6P 4-6-0 no 45699 Galatea



CANCELLED THROUGHOUT DUE TO A PROBLEM WITH ON-BOARD
 SAFETY SYSTEMS.


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January 20th 2017.

CALL FOR URGENT ACTION TO STRENGTHEN OLD COLWYN SEA DEFENCES BY DARREN MILLAR.



Clwyd West Assembly Member Darren Millar fears lives could be lost unless urgent action is taken to strengthen the flood defences protecting the railway line and the A55 in Old Colwyn.

Darren has long been calling for improvements to sea defences along the Old Colwyn promenade which suffered further damage in storms last week.

During a contribution in the Senedd today, Darren said the promenade is now in a “critical condition”.  

He said:

"There was further damage last week to the railings and some of the walls protecting the railway embankment.

"It's just a matter of time before we see a serious incident like a loss of life or even some of the railway embankment and A55 coming down which would cause absolute havoc.

"It's essential that some work is done here - not just patch repairs, but a thorough job to bring it up to modern standards so that people can be protected from the sea."

The stretch of coastline consists of a narrow promenade, which is maintained by Conwy County Borough Council, with the railway embankment immediately behind, and the main A55 road beyond it.

A Welsh Water storm drain also runs under the promenade.

Darren, who last raised the matter in the Senedd in November, added:

“In spite of the Council's best efforts, Conwy County Borough Council, Network Rail and Welsh Water haven't managed to get together yet to agree a way forward.

"We need some leadership from the Welsh Government. We need the Cabinet Secretary to take responsibility to bring these partners together so we can realise the investment that these sea defences need."

Old Colwyn Councillor Cheryl Carlisle, who represents the area, is also very concerned.

She said:

 "I'm very worried for the safety of people and the infrastructure. The wall supporting the railway line and the A55 has been damaged. It will only take a little bit more in future and they'll both go.

“Residents in the area are very concerned that the next storm could lead to serious damage and people coming to harm.”




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August 29th 2016.

It is with great pleasure I include a photo of a main contributor to this site, Alan Roberts, who has recently celebrated 40 years service as a relief signaller.
I am grateful to his friend, Paul Wild, for the following photo and detail.

I don't think many people are aware of the dedication and skill that these signallers are blessed with, nor do people realize that their work is so important
in keeping our network running smoothly but more importantly - safely.

I recently spent a short time with Alan at Deganwy box when he showed my grandson Jack around the box.
It was fascinating watching Alan at work and I was so impressed with his dedication to the job.


Please find attached a photograph of David Alan Roberts a relief signaller in North Wales who has recently "celebrated" 40 years service, the picture
 shows Alan proudly displaying his 40 year RMT membership badge and 40 year RMT membership medal.

Hopefully you could include this as a fitting tribute to a fine man and good friend on your 6g website.

Paul Wild.






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August 29th 2016.

An interesting email and photo from Mike Furmston are shown below.

Hello, this is a photo of Fred Port at his first station, Pont - y- Pant on the Llandudno - Blaenau Ffestiniog branch.

  I think it was his first as master.

 He was my mother in laws father and lived in llandudno.


   I have some photos of the pier staff c1900 if they are any use.
 
Cheers Mike Furmston (Carlisle)







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June 17th 2016.



The above photo showing Crewe Works in 1953 which appeared on the JOHN POWELL DATA PAGE prompted a query from Steve Berry who worked in the works from 1967 - 1978.

Steve heard stories, while working there, about the unknown dangers of asbestos dust and how the workers were exposed to this danger on a daily basis and wondered if the white substance
clearly shown in the photo was actually asbestos

I have printed Steve's email below.



Geoff,

 When I worked in the works I was told how the men used to make snowballs from the asbestos and throw it about, and they said that
you couldn't see up the Erecting shop for the dust.

They weren't aware of the dangers of asbestos then. The photo looks to me to have been taken at the bottom end of the Erecting shop just
after where the little traversa and of the classified bay as I know it from my days of working in the works on the diesels.

I was working in this area of the Erecting shop in 1972 on Harold Skelton's job (stripping pits) the other charge hand was Martin Heath.

 I worked in the works from 1967 to 1978.

Regards Steve Berry.



This shocking story really brings home the dangers that railway workers faced in the 1950's by their exposure to the then unknown killer dust.

Steve has also sent in a report published by the Cheshire Asbestos Victims Support Group which makes frightening reading and which I have published below.


CREWE and Nantwich are reaching a peak in the cases of asbestos-related cancer.

The borough has the highest mortality rate in Cheshire from mesothelioma - a rare type of cancer affecting the lungs
largely due to exposure to asbestos, readily used in railway engineering sites such as Crewe Works since the 1940's until
it was banned in the UK during the 1980's.

The disease has a latency period and can take up to sixty years to develop which explains the steady rise in mesothelioma
deaths in Crewe and Nantwich over the last 20 years.

The most recent statistics from the Health and Safety Executive reveal there have been 103 deaths in the borough from the
industrial disease from 1985 to 2004, the 16th highest in districts across the UK.

Inquests recently into the deaths earlier this year of Crewe men, 82-year-old Leslie King of Heron Crescent and 90-year-old Leslie Bedson
of Eastern Road, both former employees at Crewe Works, revealed they had died from mesothelioma.

Giving evidence, Joseph Chadwick, cousin to Mr Bedson's late wife, said Mr Bedson, a fitter at the railway works all his
working life, told how he and his colleagues working nightshifts would sleep on pipes lagged with asbestos, ignorant at the time of the danger.

Mr King, a coppersmith for 49 years, also described in a letter written before his death of being unaware of the dangers involved with the killer dust and the lack of protection offered.

"Asbestos would be all around me, there was a sea of asbestos on the floor and in the air and men would throw it as snowballs," he said.

"Asbestos would fall to the floor and would be walked all round the shop, our overalls would be covered in white asbestos and there would be blue and brown asbestos on the floor.

"We were handling it on almost a daily basis, it was impossible to avoid but we weren't provided with masks until much, much later. No-one insisted we wore them and we were never told of the dangers at the time."

The Coroner for Cheshire Nicholas Rheinberg said he was entirely satisfied that exposure to asbestos led to the
development of mesothelioma in the two men.

A spokesperson for Mesothelioma UK said: "It has been a national epidemic for the last ten years and is about to
peak but this should tail off as it is commensurate with asbestos use."

A spokesperson for Bombardier Transport, owners of the former Crewe Works, said: "Since the dangers of asbestos have been known we have
introduced high levels of containment at Crewe and it is no longer a problem for our employees."

For further information about mesothelioma and making a compensation claim contact Cheshire Victims Asbestos Support Group on 01928 576641.

 

Many thanks to Steve Berry for bringing this detail to our attention.


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June 9th 2016.


MORE TRAINS ANNOUNCED BETWEEN NORTH WALES AND MANCHESTER AIRPORT

Monday, 16 May, 2016

Clwyd West AM Darren Millar, who has long been calling for more trains services between North Wales and Manchester Airport, has welcomed news that the number will triple from next week.   

Arriva Trains Wales have said that from Monday the number of trains running from North Wales to Manchester Airport will triple, rising from 17 a week to 57.

An application to extend the existing agreement was approved by the Office of Rail and Road.

Darren said:

“I have been advocating improved rail links to Manchester Airport for a number of years so I am absolutely delighted by this week’s news and I know rail users throughout North Wales will join me in
welcoming this improved service to Manchester Airport.

“I would like to thank Arriva Trains for listening and responding to my calls.”


He added:
“I now hope that train operators and Network Rail also look at developing direct rail links between North Wales and Liverpool Airport.  

“Improvements to routes between North Wales and these two extremely busy international transport hubs are critical in connecting businesses and
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April 3rd 2016.


Plans for increased North Wales rail service to Manchester airport blocked.


Thursday, 31 March, 2016

Clwyd West Assembly Member Darren Millar, has hit out at Network Rail for blocking plans to improve rail services between North Wales and Manchester Airport. 

Arriva Trains Wales announced plans to increase the number of direct trains from North Wales to and from the airport from 17 to 57 weekly, but Network Rail has refused to grant
permission to implement the proposals citing 'unmanageable pressure' on train performance and impacts on other rail operators. 

Darren said:

“I have been advocating improved rail links to Manchester Airport for a number of years and was delighted before Christmas when Arriva Trains Wales announced
that it wants to increase the number of direct trains between north Wales and  Manchester Airport from 17 to 57 weekly.

“I am therefore extremely disappointed by the position of Network Rail on this issue which is frustrating progress. 

"Having spoken to rail user groups and others in the transport industry I am confident that these additional services could easily be accommodated. 

"Arriva Trains Wales has applied for the necessary paths but there is speculation that Network Rail are blocking the plans because they want to reserve lines for
new trains from West Yorkshire and Lancashire running over the yet-to-be-built Ordsall Curve - this is unacceptable. 

“I have therefore written  to Network Rail again demanding a full explanation as to why rail links via a yet to be constructed rail link are being
prioritised over those which could be of benefit immediately to my constituents.”




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February 20th 2016.

Report by Roger Carvell.

The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) have issued a prohibition notice to West Coast Railway Company (WCRC), who run most of the steam
heritage specials, preventing it running any heritage specials on the main line due to it's management of safety record, following a number of incidents over the past year.

This looks like reducing the number of steam specials over the coming year unless WCRC can convince the ORR that it will improve it's safety management record.

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Monday September 28th 2015.

CLWYD WEST AM. DARREN MILLAR CALLS ON THE WELSH GOVERNMENT
TO IMPROVE COLWYN BAY RAILWAY STATION.

Thursday, 24 September, 2015

Clwyd West AM Darren Millar has called on the Welsh Government to work with Arriva Trains Wales and Conwy County Council to improve Colwyn Bay train station.

Darren raised the matter with the Transport Minister, Edwina Hart AM, in the Senedd this week.

He said:

“For people arriving in Colwyn Bay by train, the station is the first thing they see. First impressions count and if we want to ensure that visitors return
to the area, it is essential that we have an impressive gateway into the town.

“The Welsh Government, Arriva Trains Wales  and Conwy County Council must work together to  deliver the improvements needed so that Colwyn Bay Station not only
looks good, but  also  provides the facilities and services that rail passengers need and deserve.”




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June 15th 2015.

Dave Wood sent in these shots of the stricken A4 60009 "Union of South Africa" after failing at Warrington on June 12th 2015, on her way to Carnforth
from Crewe, for a tour on Saturday 13th June 2015. She was stored in Dallham until Wednesday June 17th 2015 when she will be moved by road to Crewe.







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May 8th 2015.

DIRECT RAIL LINKS TO LIVERPOOL AND MANCHESTER AIRPORTS.

Clwyd West AM Darren Millar has called for more action from the Welsh Government to secure direct rail links to
 Liverpool and Manchester airports to stimulate the North Wales economy.

Speaking in the Senedd this week, Darren, who has long been calling for improved services for North Wales travellers, made fresh calls
for Ministers to give the people of North Wales better public transport access to the international transport hubs.

He said:  

“Improvements to routes between North Wales and airports in Liverpool and Manchester are critical in connecting businesses and
individuals to markets and job opportunities.

“These are improvements that I have long been calling for and rail travellers have long been waiting for.
 The Transport Minister has outlined her commitment to improving the rail network here in North Wales, but we are
seeing little focus on links to international airports.

“The Welsh Government have invested millions in improving transport links in south Wales – it’s about time North Wales got some extra focus.”



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April 8th 2015.

An email from Anthony Ashley, who is building the N gauge model of Conwy, Penmaenmawr and Bangor, asking for details on the
original Conwy station is reproduced below.

Any detail can be sent by the email link on the HOMEPAGE.


Dear Geoff, I have a question which you or the other website readers may know.

 The original Conwy station which was pulled down in the 60s was brick. Do you know what colour?.

 I presume it was red but not seen any colour photos of it?

Regards Anthony .



A reply from Roger Carvell along with a colour shot of the remains of Conwy station in 1985 are shown below.

Geoff,

Just found this pic in Larry Goddard's excellent colour album.
 Below the two Class 20s, there is the remains of the station wall with entrance/exit door with nice arch.
 Dirty, purple redbrick! Grey stone arch.
I suspect the brick colour is the same as Mold as that station was under the CHR as well.

Cheers, Roger




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December 7th 2014.
An email asking for information for a new book about Llandudno Junction station by Geoffrey Barnes is published below.

If anyone can help please email me through the address on the HOMEPAGE.


Dear Geoff,
 
I am contemplating a book dealing with the 24 hours at Llandudno Junction on Saturday 27 July 1957, when the railways were, arguably, at their post-War height. Whilst I have
 that summer's L.M. Passenger Timetable as my basis - from which much may be deduced - there would nonetheless still be much missing from the overall picture, and I am
 therefore wondering how much detail could be filled in by yourself and/or others  associated with the 6G website. Any such help would of course be acknowledged in any publication.
 
For example: I can see from the timetable that first Down working to call at LLJ (as I must abbreviate the station: it is not unamusing to discover that
 this is also the National Rail ticket code) was the 10.20pm ex-Manchester Exchange, booked to arrive 12.51am, and depart 12.54am.
 I am hence assuming it stood for these three minutes on Down Fast Platform 3, and would also guess that it was booked for a
 Black Five, running under express passenger head code. (?) 
 
However, Saturday mornings only, it was held for no less than 14 minutes, departing only at 1.05am, and the reason for this appears to
 be (as I infer from the timetable) to allow the passage of the through-running 9.55pm ex-Birmingham New Street, which left Chester only some
 14 minutes behind the Manchester, and would be hard on its heels even by Colwyn Bay, since the Manchester, unlike the Birmingham, had called at
 Prestatyn, Rhyl, and Colwyn Bay before LLJ.  
 
I therefore take it that the Manchester was brought into Down Slow Platform 4 by No.1 Signal Box, in order to leave Down Fast Platform 3 clear for the Birmingham.

 Any confirmation available? I'm also going to guess the Birmingham was likewise hauled by a Black Five. (?) 
 
However, depending on the running of that night, it may well be that the Manchester was put onto the Down Slow at Colwyn Bay, allowing the Birmingham to
 overtake it on the four miles of quadruple track between Colwyn Bay and LLJ; just wondering if this ever happened?
 
I'm writing this from Cambridge Central Library somewhat on the spur of the moment, having been browsing your 6G website.
 As a result, I'm working from memory with regard to the exact timings, so they may be slightly 'out'. However, as a taster for any help
 that might be able to be given, I suppose this first working of the day might stand as good an example as any.

 Incidentally, the usual 3-minute stay of the Manchester at LLJ doesn't suggest any unloading/loading of mail, or unloading of newspapers (?); in fact, a
 10.20 departure from Manchester Exchange would have probably been too early for even the first editions.  
 
I hope I do not underestimate the work as would be involved in any such book; indeed, I ruefully read Chris Evans' remarks on his 6G pages concerning
 the planning and building of his LLJ model: I see the parallel, and wonder if my proposal might transpire to become too great a task. We'll see........
 
Regards, Geoffrey Barnes.



December 18th 2014.

A detailed answer by John Hobbs, to the above query, is shown below.

I can confirm from the 1964 Working timetable that the 10.20 pm from Manchester Exchange to Holyhead was put on the Down Slow at
 Colwyn Bay  No1; it is marked "SL" & " X" which is booked slow line for other trains to pass - on a Friday Night/Saturday morning; if it
 was so this late in the day then the practice would likely have occurred in earlier years.
 
Also; The District Controllers View" by J.P.Williams by "Express Publishing would also form a useful source for North Wales coast traffic
 problems/questions; it was the practice for Holyhead traffic to be put on the Down Slow, at Colwyn Bay , on Saturdays  for example to
 avoid conflicting moves at Llandudno Junction.
 
The 10.20 from Manchester  would be a "Royal Scot/Patriot" as the traction of choice or a "Britannia", then a Black 5 depending on
 the era/time of year and hence the loading; the last time a "Patriot" appeared was on the 27th August 1965 ( unless you can prove otherwise); it would
 normally have been an EE Type 4 by then.
 
The RCTS traffic survey; on the 6G web site will also provide information in this regard.

 
Also:-
 
There was a separate "News" train from Manchester at 1.18 am (1.40 am Su.O.)which ran to Bangor; all the night time trains, which
 stopped at Rhyl were Slow Line from Muspratts Sidings ( Flint)  because Rhyl No1 Box was shut at night.
 After Muspratts Sidings closed the trains were put on the Slow at Bagillt and eventually as the Slow line was
 torn up; they were put on the Slow at Prestatyn ( there were however exceptions).
 
The "News" train was interesting because following the introduction of DMU's on most coast services at the start of
 February 65, it started producing Jubilees, B1's and Black 5's & even a K1, these were from North Eastern sheds e.g. Low Moor & Wakefield etc.
 These often ended up on 16.45 Holyhead to Manchester the following evening or on the meat container trains from  Holyhead to London/York.
 
Examples being 61017 on the 4th March, 61019 on the 10th April, 45694 on the 23rd March 1966; some of these locomotives also appeared
 on the Chester to Shrewsbury line having been taken off the "News"  at Chester for some reason.
 I could only travel on the 16.45 ex Holyhead  train on a Friday so no doubt it occurred on other days as well.
 There is photographic evidence to support all this, the B1 s were also used by 6G on occasions on Engineers trains at this time.
 
The "Irish Mail" 1D85 8.55 pm conveyed "Mails"  and connected with the 00.10 from Warrington to Chester (which connected with the "West Coast Postal");  which
 also conveyed "Mails" ( this was also one of the last steam hauled trains in the area) well into 1968 - it probably lasted until Patricroft closed to steam.

 Prior to March 1967 a "Q" train also operated from Shrewsbury to Chester to connect with the "Irish Mail"; in the  event of trains from
 the South West running late. 
 



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November 4th 2014.

Report by Roger Carvell.

THE GRESLEY SOCIETY TRUST TO ERECT STATUE OF SIR NIGEL GRESLEY AT
LONDON’S KING’S CROSS STATION
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Permissions granted by Network Rail, 
Camden Borough Council, and English Heritage.
 
 
London’s King’s Cross station is to be graced by a statue of Sir Nigel Gresley, the renowned mechanical engineer who designed locomotives, carriages and
 wagons for the London & North Eastern Railway from 1923 until his death in April 1941.

  His achievements include the design of Mallard, the fastest steam locomotive in the world, Flying Scotsman, and famous streamline
 high speed trains such as Silver Jubilee in 1935 and Coronation in 1937.

  He also invented vehicle articulation, still used by railway and tramway engineers around the world to this day.
   Sir Nigel was knighted for his services to the LNER in 1936.
 
The bronze statue will be a standing figure about seven feet six inches tall, on the same scale as the figure of Sir John Betjeman next door
 at St. Pancras station.

  It will be sculpted by Hazel Reeves SWA, FRSA, who also sculpted maquettes of the figure to assist the Gresley Society Trust in obtaining
 permissions to erect the statue.  
 
Hazel Reeves’ final maquette will now be used by the Gresley Society Trust in raising money for the statue.

  The expected cost is £95,000, which the Society is now seeking to raise by public subscription.

   Donations may be made to the Gresley Society Trust through its website, http://gresley.org/ 

It is hoped that all who admire the work of Sir Nigel will wish to be associated with the statue by contributing to its cost.

The statue will be placed in the Western Concourse, beside the entrance to the Ticket Office, by the wall to West Offices
 where Sir Nigel and his principal assistants worked until the outbreak of war.

  Sir Nigel’s likeness will be standing in a familiar pose, holding a copy of The Locomotive magazine.
He will be accompanied by a Mallard, symbolic of his most famous locomotive.

  Sir Nigel was known for rearing mallards at his pre-war home, Salisbury Hall, near St Albans.
  The accompanying wall plaque will carry a QR code, which visitors to the statue may scan by smart phone, to direct them to the Society’s website.  

It is planned to unveil the statue on 5 April 2016, the 75th anniversary of the death of Sir Nigel.
 
David McIntosh, Chairman of the Gresley Society Trust, said:  “This is an inspiring project for the Society.
  In the past we have erected memorials of various kinds in Edinburgh, York and beside the line where Mallard achieved her
 record speed, and now we are to honour Sir Nigel in London, where he had his office for the last and
 most productive eighteen years of his life.”
 
Hazel Reeves, sculptor, said: “I am greatly excited to be deeply involved in this project.
  Ever since I was asked to make proposals for the statue, and to create maquettes for its evolution, I have been aware
 of Sir Nigel Gresley and his considerable contribution to the field of engineering.

  Now that we have permission to erect a full-size statue at King’s Cross, I can express my admiration for the man in a very real way.”


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September 30th 2014.


RAIL INVESTMENT WILL BE A HUGE BOOST TO NORTH WALES.


Thursday, 25 September, 2014.

Commenting on a statement published by the Labour government today on rail improvements in North Wales, which reiterates the UK Government’s
10.4 million pounds investment in the ‘Halton Curve’ and confirms Network Rail’s detailed proposals will be published in the New Year, Welsh Conservative Shadow
Minister for Transport Byron Davies AM, said:

“The Conservative-led government’s investment in this project is hugely welcome and we now look forward to Network Rail’s plans for development.

“This project will make a huge difference to North Wales, both for commuters, tourism, and the economy as a whole.

“It is another example of Conservatives delivering for Wales and I am delighted that plans are moving forward.”

Clwyd West Assembly Member, Darren Millar, who has also been campaigning for the project for many years, said:

“This is a hugely exciting development that will provide a huge boost for North Wales".

“I have been campaigning for years to get a direct service between North Wales and Liverpool reinstated – and I am delighted that the UK
Government has provided this investment".

“I look forward to seeing further plans from Network Wales and urge the Welsh Labour Government to ensure development begins as soon as possible.”




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September 25th 2014.
(Article taken from the Liverpool Echo)


VIRGIN TRAIN DRIVER INJURED BY OVERHEAD POWER LINE AT RUNCORN.


A train driver given an electric shock by a fallen power cable was today in a “stable” condition in hospital.

The Virgin Trains employee was injured on Tuesday night (23/09/14) after getting out of his cabin to inspect an overhead power line that had come down.

A spokesman for the company told the ECHO the driver was in a “stable condition while receiving treatment in hospital”.

He stopped the train near Runcorn after noticing the fallen cable.

He got an electric shock while searching for a marker on the track so he could report his location to rail controllers.

More than 160 passengers were stranded for up to two hours on the train – heading from London Euston station to Liverpool Lime Street – while paramedics tended to the injured driver.

Other trains including two London Midland services full of passengers were also stuck on the line behind the Virgin train.




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September 21st 2014.


ABERGELE EARLY MORNING TRAIN SERVICE SAVED.

Friday, 5 September, 2014

Arriva Trains Wales have agreed to continue to provide an early morning service from Abergele to Manchester after Clwyd West AM Darren Millar wrote to the
company highlighting local concerns about the proposed axing of the service. (see August 22nd 2014 posting below)

Commuters were concerned that Arriva’s proposed new timetables, which come into affect in December, include scrapping the current 0644 service from Llandudno to
Manchester via Warrington, which stops at all stations including Abergele.

In his letter to Arriva, Darren voiced his strong objection to the changes and called for a better service to Manchester which stops in Abergele.  

Responding this week, a spokesman for Arriva Trains Wales told Darren that the issue has been resolved by inserting an additional stop into the 0514 hrs service from Holyhead to
Manchester Piccadilly (arriving 0818 hrs), which will depart Abergele and Pensarn at 0620 hrs.

They said:

"The overall aim of the changes is to increase seating capacity between North Wales and Manchester and Birmingham, an issue which is regularly highlighted to
us by customers and stakeholders alike.

To make this increase in capacity we have procured another locomotive-hauled train comprising four cars which, in turn, allows us to strengthen other hard-pressed
services shown on the attachment." 


Darren said:

"This is fantastic news and I would like to thank Arriva Trains Wales for listening to the concerns of local commuters and adapting their proposed timetable accordingly.

"The early morning service provides a good opportunity for commuters and business travellers to the city from the Abergele area and its loss would have been felt deeply.
Employment opportunities are not always available locally so it is vital that we give travellers from North Wales the rail service they need."





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August 24th 2014.

An article taken from The Daily Post in July 2014 is reproduced below.



New North Wales to Manchester train services launched in £1.2m deal.


New rail services between North Wales and Manchester Piccadilly are due to be launched in December following a £1.2m deal between the
Department for Transport and Arriva Trains Wales.

The new services will mean “at least 2,450 extra seats across the morning and evening peaks every week”.

Under the plans announced by Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin today, the train operator will run an
additional locomotive and four carriages.

The new services, backed by the Welsh Government, are intended to help passengers and local businesses on the popular routes between
Llandudno and Holyhead to Manchester and Birmingham.

The routes include Manchester Piccadilly to Holyhead; Holyhead to Manchester Piccadilly; and Manchester Piccadilly to Llandudno.
There will also be a Chester to Manchester Piccadilly service.

Transport Secretary Mr McLoughlin said: “This is good news for passengers travelling between England and Wales. I know how popular
these services are, so it’s important to get extra carriages and seats on the network.

“It will mean better connections for thousands of passengers, and is further proof our long term economic plan is on track, making a
real difference to hard-working people.”

Network Rail plans to spend £38bn over the next five years.

According to the Department for Transport: “The deal has been made possible through money paid to the department by
Deutsche Bahn, following the company’s acquisition of Arriva Plc. Under the current rail industry
framework train companies are required to pay a Change of Control Fee when changes to the operator are made.”

Ian Bullock, Managing Director of Arriva Trains Wales, said: “We would like to thank both the Department for Transport
and the Welsh Government for supporting the provision of extra capacity on some of our busiest routes.

Improved service performance levels and the increased popularity of sustainable transport has led to more than 75% growth in
passenger numbers using our Manchester and Birmingham services since our Wales and Borders franchise began in late 2003.

“This extra capacity will help us better meet the demand along these key routes and hopefully encourage even more passengers to use the rail network.”




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August 22nd 2014.


ABERGELE EARLY MORNING TRAIN SERVICE TO BE AXED.


Clwyd West AM Darren Millar has written to Arriva Trains Wales after learning that its proposed new timetable does not include an
 early morning service from Abergele to Manchester.  

The proposals show that from December, the current 0644 service from Llandudno to Manchester via Warrington, which stops at
 all stations including Abergele, is to be axed,

North Wales commuters needing to be in Manchester or Warrington by 9am for work will have to leave Colwyn Bay half an hour earlier at 0613, but this
 service will not be stopping at Abergele.  

Commuters have also raised concerns that the current 0552 direct Manchester service out of Colwyn Bay is also under threat.

Darren said:

 “I am very concerned to hear of these proposed changes as many commuters depend on the early morning service from Abergele to get them to work before 9am and it is
 shameful that their needs have not been taken into consideration in drawing up the new timetable.  

 “I have therefore written to Arriva Trains Wales highlighting the concerns raised with me and calling for a better service to Manchester which stops in Abergele.#
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July 4th 2014.


DIRECT RAIL LINK BETWEEN NORTH WALES AND LIVERPOOL TO BE RE-ESTABLISHED.

Thursday, 3 July, 2014

Clwyd West AM Darren Millar, who has been campaigning for years for a direct rail link between North Wales and Liverpool, has expressed his delight at a UK Government
announcement of £10M plus to pave the way for a service to be re-established. 

The Chancellor has announced that as part of a package of measures to support Liverpool’s science and transport infrastructure, £10.4 million will be provided to upgrade the
Halton Curve rail line to improve connectivity between Liverpool, Cheshire, Warrington and North Wales.

Darren, who over the years has repeatedly called on the Welsh Government to work with the UK Government to restore direct rail services
between Liverpool and North Wales, said:

"I have been campaigning for years to get a direct service between North Wales and Liverpool reinstated, so I am
absolutely delighted by today’s announcement.

"Liverpool is an important commercial centre and improving transport links will provide a huge boost to the North Wales economy in terms of access
to jobs and promoting tourism. Shifting passengers from road to rail is also good for the environment.

"North Wales has not enjoyed a direct rail link with Liverpool since the 1970s, when it was incredibly popular for shoppers, commuters and tourists.

“This is a very exciting development and I look forward to seeing the huge benefits it will bring to North Wales.”   



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June 15th 2014.

CAN ANYONE HELP?

An email from Anthony Ashley, who is building the "N" gauge model layout of Bangor Penmaenmawr and Conwy, is reproduced below with an appeal
for any information regarding blood and custard coaches in 1960.

Any information can be sent to the website by the email link on the HOMEPAGE.


Dear Geoff,

I have been trying to determine if there were any blood and custard coaches still around in 1960 and perhaps a ratio to Maroon.

I have checked all photos on the 6G web site and there seem to be very few.

 Do you or other readers have any ideas ?.

 

Regards,  Anthony Ashley.

 


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April 30th 2014

The Railway Correspondence and Travel Society

The RCTS undertook the following survey on Saturday 4th August 1962 and a team of Observers, led by Mr C.W.F.Smith,
spread out along the North Wales coast to undertake observations which are reflected in the survey.

The survey includes a commentary on what was seen and why things happened during the day.

Credit for the Copyright is to the RCTS.

The Railway Correspondence and Travel Society - Merseyside, Chester and North Wales Branch holds meetings at :-
The Town Crier, City Road, Chester, CH1 3AE at 19.30 on advertised dates.

Also see their web site at www.rcts.org.uk

OPEN SURVEY



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May 11th 2014.


An email from John Hobbs detailing some interesting observations on the above subject is reproduced below.







Hi Geoff,

One of the things which mazes me about social history, is the time which people had to get up to catch
these holiday trains, as they served the whole of Birmingham!

Surely you would have to get up at 3 or 4 o' clock in time to catch a local train or bus to New Street etc. at 06.40.
There were similar early departures from Manchester and other industrial cities.
One wonders how this was organized.

Also interesting in the RCTS survey is that all trains to Pen-y-chain changed locomotives at Caernarvon, thus all the eight or ten
2-6-4 T locomotives, which worked these trains to and from Afonwen, were away from Bangor before the Surveyors got there and
all the associated ECS workings from Holyhead and Llandudno at the beginning and end of the day were also not observed.

Some of this stock arrived on boat trains from Euston and worked boat trains on Sunday night from Holyhead back to Birmingham Leeds and Euston.

Also the locomotives which re-engined outbound trains must have been turned at Caernarvon. 


Regards John.





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February 23rd 2014.

Photo below by Allan Judd shows the final gathering of the surviving 6 A4's at Shildon, on February 19th 2014, before they are all 'repatriated'.




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February 19th 2014.

Alan Roberts tells me that he noticed a sad announcement in the Daily Post today.


I saw and read today in the Daily Post it was quite sad to see that Vic Thomas ex-Llandudno Junction driver has passed away aged 78.

 Think he started back at Rhyl shed and for many years was based in Chester before transferring to Llandudno Junction.

Alan Roberts.


February 23rd 2014.

Some kind words and memories of Vic by Ex-6G driver Barry W Taylor are shown below.



Just read of the sad news of ex Junction driver Vic Thomas.

 I knew Vic well from when I started as a trainman at Llandudno Junction, he was also my Minder Driver
when I was doing my driver training.

He had lots of sayings some I cannot print but one was when you approached a signal at danger Vic would say
"this side of the signal is yours the other side belongs to the signalman" has always stuck in my mind.

Another he told me was when we where on our way to Amlwch with the tanks early one morning (03:45) he said "this is the worst job in
the world" and when we returned to the Junction at about !0:30 he said "this is the best job in the world".

He was a proper railwayman and will be missed I'm sure by lots of people

Barry W Taylor.



An email from David Thomas (nephew of Vic Thomas) is reproduced below.

Hello Geoff,

I have just read the kind words expressed by former colleagues concerning the sad passing of my late Uncle, Vic Thomas, ex Llandudno Junction driver.

Vic was certainly a character and I have fond memories of him as a young lad when on occasions I would meet him at Dyserth Station
 (former Prestatyn-Meliden-Dyserth branch line) when he used to collect the lime wagons from the quarry-empty wagons were shunted
 across a bridge as it was too weak to handle the steam engine itself and gravity did the rest! I had many a ride on the engine-what a thrill.

Years later after he retired Vic was often asked to drive heritage engines along the North Wales Coast and I recall once he rang me and asked me
 to bring my own young son to Llandudno Junction as he was bringing in a "special" engine;
 I don't recall which one but on arrival he proceeded to lift my son onto the foot-plate with him.

 With this,
some very official type/ transport inspector who was also on the foot-plate told Vic that children were not allowed on the engine and it was
 against regulations; Vic took exception to this and responded by climbing off the engine with my son in his arms and duly told the poor man
 that given his "attitude" he'd best drive the ruddy engine to Holyhead himself!!

 I can still see that man's look of utter horror as Vic strode off down the platform; needless to say he did eventually go back to the
 engine, as did my son! Happy Days.

Vic was indeed based at Chester for many years and at Llan. Junction and he retired to live in Rhuddlan.
 
He is survived by his wife Betty and his daughter Sian and sons Gwyn and Gareth.

His funeral took place at Colwyn Bay Crematorium last Monday 24th Feb 2014 and it was lovely to see many former Llan. Junction and Chester railwaymen
 paying their respects to him.

If anyone has any photos of Vic at work I will be grateful for a copy as Vic wasn't the best with a camera!

Thank you for mentioning him in your news; it means a lot to the family.

Kindest Regards, David P Thomas




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January 31st 2014.

No mention of North Wales-Liverpool direct rail link in Minister’s Statement



Wednesday, 29 January, 2014.

Clwyd West AM Darren Millar, who has been campaigning for years to get a direct rail service between
 North Wales and Liverpool reinstated, is disappointed that the Transport Minister made no reference to this when she provided an update on
 Transport Policy in the Assembly Chamber this week.

North Wales has not enjoyed a direct rail link with Liverpool since the 1970s, when it was incredibly popular for
 shoppers, commuters and tourists.

Darren has long been calling for the service to be re-established and was hoping the Transport Minister would provide an update on
 developments in this area in her Statement.   

Addressing the Minister in the Senedd, Darren said:

"One thing that you did not mention, or provide an update on, was the potential for a direct rail link to Liverpool.
 As you know, Liverpool is an extremely important commercial centre for the people of north Wales, and
 the north Wales tourism industry relies significantly on people visiting from Liverpool and the wider Merseyside area.
 So, I wonder what discussions you and your officials may have been having with the Department for Transport in the UK regarding the
 re-establishment of that direct link along the Halton curve."

The Minister responded by indicating that she would ask the Ministerial Task force on North Wales Transport, which was established to
 make the case for electrification of the North Wales rail line, to add the issue to their agenda.

Darren added:

"As a large commercial centre with strong links to North Wales, there is no doubt that improving the transport infrastructure between
 Liverpool and North Wales would provide a much needed boost to the economy.

 Whilst I welcome the fact that the Minister will now ensure that this issue is given serious consideration, this should not have
 been an afterthought, especially given that the North East Wales Integrated Transport Task Force Report recognised this and
 recommended last summer that the line should be reinstated.

"I have been campaigning for years for the reinstatement of this service and I will continue pressing the
 Welsh Government to take this issue forward."


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January 14th 2014.

An email from Ian Cook with an appeal for help is reproduced below.


Geoff,

I was wondering if you could help me, as mentioned in my data page I never kept a copy of my spotting notes from my first visit to Crewe.
I have been doing a little research re my first visit and can clearly remember Duchess 46251 'City of Nottingham' departing on a railtour
soon after I arrived on my train from Stockport. I know the visit was in the autumn of 1963 and after checking the railtour records on the
Six Bells Junction web site and now know the date of the visit was Saturday 5th October 1963. As this was the date of an RCTS railtour
from Crewe to Edinburgh Princess Street Station.

Do you know any good forums where I could ask if anyone still has a record of Crewe for the day? i.e. Crewe station, Crewe North MPD
and Crewe Diesel MPD.

I remember viewing my first GWR steam loco arrive mid afternoon at Crewe with a parcels service from the south. I presume this parcels
service had arrived via either Shrewsbury or via the SVR route i.e. Kidderminster, Bridgnorth and Market Drayton. The loco was a Grange
and I thought it was 6825 but this might be wrong. I can also remember large numbers of LMS loco's stored on Crewe North MPD between
the main running shed and the semi roundhouse. The loco's included significant numbers of Duchess, Royal Scot, Patriot and Jubilee classes.

In addition I remember a couple of Patriots working into Crewe on that day, think these were 45526 Morecambe and Heysham and 45527 Southport.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks Ian.




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January 3rd 2014.

An email from Peter Wolfe is reproduced below.
Peter asks for details about the stored engines at 6G in the late 50's / early 60's.
A list from 1963 appears on the  6G ALLOCATED ENGINES page which may be of help.


Many thanks for the wonderful website.

 It really brings back memories of happy holidays in the area where more time was spent at Rhyl station or on top of the chalets at Penmaenmawr.
 Watching trains rather than on the beach.

I wonder if you could help me.
 I would like to find the numbers of the engines that were on the scrap line at 6G in the late 1950s or early 1960s.

 I realise that the engines changed,  but at the time I am thinking of the line contained a couple of LMS 2P 4-4-0s and a LMS Compound as well as other engines.

 

Kind Regards. P. Wolfe




Another email from Peter is reproduced below.

Hi Geoff, Many thanks for your E-mail.

It was the great photos that reminded me of seeing those engines on the 6G stored line. If memory serves I saw them from an early Derby DMU
 from Blaenau Ffestiniog on a rail cruise which part of the tour was on a Crosville coach, as I guess some of the lines had closed by then.

 I was also fortunate to have travelled on one of The North Wales Land cruise specials that was all steam, travelling from Rhyl through
 Afonwen, Barmouth, Corwen and Denbigh.

 

Pete.



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December 11th 2013.

An email from Trevor A Tremethick is reproduced below.


Dear Mr Poole
 
I have just visited your website for the first time and found it very valuable.
 
I have been particularly interested in Ian Cook’s record of locomotives in the scrap lines at Stockport Edgeley Shed (9B) for March to May 1967.
 I went to Edgeley with a friend on 16 April 1967 and, as we passed the scrap lines (which I think were south of the shed), we noticed
 a line of engines including Ivatt 2-6-2 tanks for which we did not record numbers.

 Perhaps they were just too far away. For many years I have wondered – with only a hazy memory of the line of
 locos – how many Ivatts were in the line-up and which ones they were. I think Mr Cook’s record has answered that
 question in that the two locos left were 41220 and 41233.

 I would be very interested should he have any more information on the scrap Ivatts (e.g. where the ones removed for transit to Wards at Killamarsh were held).
 
As a matter of interest, we were able to visit the shed at Edgeley and I still have my notes of that day.
 We went on to visit Crewe South (5B) and Crewe Works.
 I think we totalled some 100 steam spotted that day, although most were simmering on shed and some, of course, withdrawn.
 
Perhaps you could pass on my thanks to Mr Cook for making such copious notes at the time and solving my long standing mystery.
 
Happy days.
 
Regards Trevor A Tremethick

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Ian Cook's reply is reproduced below.


Geoff and Trevor,

Thanks Geoff for forwarding Trevor's email, its much appreciated.

I can definitely confirm that the last two Ivatt 2-6-2 tanks at Stockport Edgeley MPD at the time Trevor passed were 41220 and 41233.

9B MPD had at least four examples of the class prior to them all being withdrawn during 1967, these were 41202, 41204, 41220 and 41233.

In addition, to the Ivatt tanks a group of 5 Standard design 2MT tanks arrived during 1965, it was rumoured that these were going to
 be sent to the Isle of Wight to replace the ageing tank engines on the island but nothing happened on that front and
 the Standard tanks were eventually withdrawn on mass and placed in store at the rear of the depot i.e. the same location that Trevor viewed the Ivatt's.

The numbers of the Standard 2MT tanks were 84013, 84017, 84019, 84025, 84026

I've attached a couple of pictures of the two engines in question whilst they were stored at the rear of Edgeley MPD.

 The pictures aren't very good as at the time I only had a Kodak Instamatic camera bought from the proceeds of a paper round.

Hope this helps.

Cheers Ian.




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Trevor's reply is reproduced below.


Dear Ian

I was delighted to receive your detailed response to my query - very many thanks indeed and also to Geoff for passing it on to you.

 The pictures are of great interest to me. 41233 appears to have been withdrawn still with a (very faded) early BR lion emblem on its tanks.
 The internet often gets a bad press, but for this sort of thing it is wonderful!

 
My friend (also called Ian) and I had travelled, up from Truro, on the evening of 15 April '67 on the 17.40 Penzance to Manchester Piccadilly (1M78).
 We were due into Stockport at 05.19 and Piccadilly at 05.37. I would guess it would be still pretty dark then so we must have seen the Ivatts on our
 way back to Crewe in the afternoon, after our visit to Edgeley shed.

 I recall that the line of engines (which I now know included 41220/33) was clearly visible from our train on the Crewe-Stockport line although
 I seem to remember they were some way off.

 Pity 41202/4 weren't still there, your notes mention they had been removed, presumably to another site, prior to being towed away for scrap.
 
By way of return, I have attached two (very poor I'm afraid ) Kodak Brownie pictures of our visit to 9B.
 I made the mistake of putting my rolls of film into our local chemist for processing and these were the only two steam shots that survived.
 The chemists never admitted that they had messed up the processing and, sadly, I never had the opportunity to return to Edgeley.
 
* Interestingly, one of the Stanier class fives I recorded at 9B on the 16th was 44722 which, through later
 research, I found to be a Perth engine, listed as being withdrawn the same month.

 I have never found any other reference to that loco being on Edgeley and I have to admit the possibility that I wrote down an incorrect number.
 Unless, of course, she came south for the football, as England had been playing Scotland at Wembley the day before!


I wrote a number of articles for 'Steam Days' magazine back in 2003-5 and my trip to Stockport and Crewe would have been article number four.
 Sadly they decided against it and returned my manuscript unpublished. However, It remains a record of my journey and I read it
 from time to time.

 Nearly 50 years afterwards - thanks to you - I can now update it!
 
Once again, my appreciation to you, and to Geoff.
 
Kind regards, Trevor.

* Note from Ian Cook :
I suspect it was 44782, which had been in store from mid Dec 1966 and was definitely there when Trevor visited the depot in April 1967.

 


Gresley K4 3442 (BR number 61994) "The Great Marquess" on shed at 9B Stockport Edgeley on April 16th 1967.





A general view of 9B Stockport Edgeley on April 16th 1967.





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November 25th 2013.

6G shed plate SOLD on EBAY for £104.00.
Auction ended Sunday December 8th 2013.





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September 25th 2013.

GREAT CENTRAL AUCTIONS
Stoneleigh Park, Warwickshire CV8 2LZ.
www.gcrauctions.com

The smokebox numberplate 45370 from LMS Class 5 - built by Armstrong Whitworth Works in 1937
and allocated new to 6G on June 14th 1937 is up for auction on October 12th 2013.

It was withdrawn from Speke Junction in August 1966 and sold for scrap to Cashmores at
Great Bridge, entering their yard on January 12th 1967.

Unfortunately it has been repainted but still an interesting lot especially with the link to 6G.

(SOLD FOR £300)

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September 23rd 2013.

An email from Brian Roberts asking for details of Chris Evans' records from 1961 is reproduced below.


Hi Geoff,
You may remember I contacted you quite a few years ago now seeking information about workings along
the North Wales Coast during the early 1960's.

I have not visited your fascinating site much of late but I did so yesterday and discovered a similar request from Mike Williams made in
June this year together with a response from Chris Evans which revealed, to my astonishment, he holds information
dating from July and August 1961, precisely the period I am most interested in!
 
Would it be possible to ask Mr Evans on my behalf whether he would be prepared to let me have copies of locomotive numbers and
where available the associated trains they worked for any dates at all in July and August 1961 please?

  In other words much the same information he kindly offered to Mr Williams.

  I am more than prepared to reimburse reasonable expenses incurred.
 
I look forward to hearing from you again. 

Best Wishes.  Brian Roberts.  



I contacted Brian to let him know that the details he refers to above are already published on the Chris Evans page.


Brian replied and was astonished that he has found these details after so many years.




Geoff,

No, I hadn't seen all the information you refer to. From my point of view it's a brilliant 'find'! I've alerted my friend, Alan Turton, to
the information's availability and asked for his comments.

He was with me at Chester on 29/07/61 and because it was his first ever visit to the station he remembers more about what we saw than I do.

He also has a list of locomotive numbers he saw in the middle of 1961 to refer to.

 This, I hope, will result in consistencies.

It is incredible to note all this information is coming to light some 52 years after the event!

Best Wishes. Brian Roberts




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August 28th 2013.

An email from Alan Eastham is reproduced below.

If anyone can help please send details through the email link on the HOMEPAGE.


Hi Geoff

I hope you don't mind me asking about this which might be slightly off topic but I have really enjoyed the wealth
of information on Llandudno Junction website.

Basically I am trying to find an image of every loco that was in the Ian Allan 1959 Combined and am down to needing 13.

One of these was a midi numbered 44073 that was a long time resident of Mold Junction and as such I think could have been a
visitor to Llandudno Junction.

My collection is primarily pictures in my collection of books and magazines plus 'pictures of picture's from the
National Railway Museum and numerous other sources.

 Consequently I am not overly bothered about the quality of the images-its more a train-spotting thing!

Any help you may be able to give me would be most gratefully received

kind regards

Alan Eastham.


The other photos that Alan needs to complete his collection are as follows:

LMS 44120 of Aston,     LMS 47370 of Stoke,      LMS 47411 of Edge Hill,    LMS 47489 also of Edge Hill,   47568 of Farnley Junction
 
LMS 47573 of Wakefield,   LMS 47585 of Agecroft,   LMS 47605 of Barrow,    LNER 64793 of Ipswich,  WD 90118 of Colwick
 
WD 90286 of Mexborough,     WD 90391 of Canklow

 

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September 23rd 2013.

An email from Rod Armitage with details regarding the above is reproduced below.

Subject: Letter from Alan Eastham.

Could you please pass this on to Alan Eastham, because I too am trying to do a similar project to him using a 1961 Combined.

I am down to wanting 67 loco's out of the 13,426 listed.

I have seen a photo of  90391, I think in Scenes from the past 29 Woodhead.

 Maybe he can help me with some of mine.

Cheers Rod Armitage.


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August 10th 2013.

An email from Ian Cook of Manchester is reproduced below.

 Ian has pointed out that an entry on the North Wales Coast Steam page showing A3 no. 60103 (4472) "Flying Scotsman"
at Llandudno station with a special on the 4th June 1966 was captioned incorrectly as June 6th 1966.

Many thanks Ian for the correction.

Ian has agreed to allow us to publish the extensive log he has drawn up from his spotting days of 1964 - 68, which includes
many local entries, on the 6G website.

A mammoth five page series is now published showing this data which will, I'm sure, create much interest as well as
stirring up many memories for readers who probably like me didn't keep hold of their notes from those exciting days.

Thank heaven some enthusiasts, like Ian Cook, had the foresight to realize that this data would have great value in the years to come.


The Ian Cook data pages are now published  HERE  along with a number of photos Ian mentions in his email below.



Geoff,
I found your site recently, whilst doing some research whilst converting my old spotting notes into an electronic form.

My parents had a caravan at Llanddulas in North Wales, so had many great family holidays there during the 1960's.

Many of my notes from these holidays match up with some of your sites information
i.e. the picture of 70009 at the Junction on 30th July 1966.

However, I also found a picture of The Flying Scotsman passing Rhyl during June 1966 on the
North Wales Coast Steam page (November 12th 2008).

 My records show this rail tour actually happened on Saturday 4th June 1966 not the 6th June 1966 as per your caption. 

The 4th June 1966 was a Saturday, whereas the 6th June 1966 would have been a Monday i.e. a strange day to run
a rail tour. Hope this helps.

I have two pictures of it at Llandudno station. The rail tour was operated by The Gainsborough Model Railway Society.

I have detailed my log of that day below.


4th June 1966 North Wales - Llanddulas



44833 Passenger service





45375 Passenger service





73144 Passenger service





45048 Passenger service





45097 Light engine





D1888 Light engine





60103 Gainsborough Model Railway Society Railtour from Lincoln Central to Llandudno
D211 Passenger service





D333 Passenger service





D7589 Passenger service paired with D7556, almost certainly from the Midlands
D7556 See above





73006 Passenger service





45025 Passenger service







Llandudno Jct MPD - 6G



45004 45282 47673 45042 45277 45298 73144 75009 D2606
D2607 73094 45025 70012
45116








Regards
Ian Cook
Manchester


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July 21st 2013.

An email from Patricia Atherton. with a request for information on a Derek Evans who she hasn't seen since 1967 and who she thinks
is possibly the Derek Evans who has appeared in photos on the 6G website and who worked signal boxes in our area.


Hello Geoff,

We have been looking at your 6G website which we found very interesting.

We found it whilst trying to find an old Army Pal of my husband's called Derek Evans. We knew him in the 1960's in Germany and later in
Singapore in 16 LAD Regt RA.

I have seen a Derek Evans, 'an experienced signalman' in one of the photos and he does seem to resemble Derek somewhat.

 We have not seen him though since 1967. He came , I think, originally, from a place near Aberfan and we were with him the day the news
of the disaster broke.

I should be very grateful if it does turn out to be the Derek we knew if you could please tell him that Phil Atherton is looking for him and if so if
you could kindly send him my email.

Many thanks for your help.

Sincerely Patricia Atherton.



Hi Patricia,

I don’t have any contact details for the signalman Derek Evans but I will publish your request on the NEWSPAGE and send details to a few contacts who may be able to help.

Could you pinpoint exactly where the photo of Derek Evans is on the website and also would it be OK for me to publish the photo of Derek that you sent to me?

As soon as you let me know I will get the details published and if there is a response I will be in touch.

Regards Geoff.



Thank you so much for getting back to me Geoff.

You are quite welcome to put the photo on the website or indeed any other details I have provided that you think may be of help.

I found an address and Phone number in Bangor for a Derek Evans on 192.com and have tried the number but had no reply.

 He worked in the Bangor Box so I thought this may be the same Derek.

I will scan the item and photo which is on the archive NEWSPAGE dated July 25th 2010.
Derek Evans is No. 6 in the photo.

 its posted by a man called Andy Parry who worked in the next Box to him daily and knew him well.

We are so hoping that it will be the same Derek. There is quite a good likeness, we think.

Will try to scan the item for you.

Thank you again for your time and trouble.

Sincerely Patricia.


Below is a link to the photo Patricia mentions above which is on the archive NEWSPAGE posted July 25th 2010.



Below is a photo of the Derek Evans known to Patricia taken in 1967 at Kuching airport in July 1965.
If anybody can help with the ID please email the site.





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July 22nd 2013.

Alan Roberts tells me that Derek Evans left the railway in the early 1990's due to illness. He thinks he had a stroke.
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June 26th 2013.

More sad news of the loss of another 6G man is shown below.


WILLIAM LLEWELYN WYNNE
(Bill)
  1935 - 2013

Bill entered railway service in 1951 at 6G as a cleaner.

He went on loan to Birmingham as a passed cleaner.

He left the railway to join the armed services.

Bill left the army but didn't return to the railway.

The order of service sheet from Bill's funeral service on May 14th 2013 is reproduced below.








A short humorous article entitled "Gone for ever" written by Bill about his time on the railway working a goods train to Bangor.






Two photos of Bill in happier times are shown below.










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June 22nd 2013.
An email from Ken Brett and a reply from John Powell , Chris Evans and David Hughes are reproduced below.

Any more detail on the colours would be appreciated.

As I told Ken there are photos of the Welsh dragon displaying the headboard but most of the ones I have seen are in black and white
so if anybody has any colour shots of the train and headboard it could solve the puzzle otherwise we can only rely on our memories.


Hi Geoff

I have been fascinated by your very interesting website.

It takes me back to when I holidayed at the North Wales Holiday Camp in Abergele as a small boy in the mid 50s.

I remember crossing the main line to get to the beach!! In those days there was no footbridge and if memory serves me right
there were four lines to cross, dodging The Welsh Dragon Ivatts and Holyhead trains.

I also remember the excursions to Llanberis and the Derby Lightweight from Llandudno to Betws-y-Coed.

Now retired, I have the time to regain my interest in OO gauge modelling with a nostalgic look at trains.
 I am currently putting together a set to represent the Welsh Dragon and have used your photos to this end.

Do you know what colours were used in the Welsh Dragon’s headboard?

I guess that the dragon image was red but have no idea about the rest.

Something tells me that whole headboard was red as I recall the train as the Red Dragon Express in my mind.

I would be most grateful if you could shed some light on this for me.

With best regards
Ken Brett

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John Powell writes:

Hi Geoff,

Regarding Ken Brett's email on the NEWSPAGE on June 22nd 2013.

A bit difficult on my memory this one, as I don't seem to have a colour photo of the Welsh dragon.

Something seems to tell me that the board was black, the dragon was red ( Of Course ) and the letters were in white.

 Regards. John.

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Chris Evans writes:

Reading Ken Brett's email of 22nd June on your Newspage reminded me that I have a
miniature 'Welsh Dragon' headboard which, although not currently in use, I once fitted to a
DMU for a photograph (see below).
 I have enclosed it as it should help Ken with the colours, which I believe are accurate.






David Hughes writes:


Hello Geoff.

I hope the enclosed photos will help Ken Brett, 22nd June 2013 , in his quest for the colours of The Welsh Dragon headboard.

I was at the NRM on the 9th July for the Great Gathering and found this headboard (see below) hanging on the wall, notice the yellow/gold lettering.

Second photo was taken on the Llangollen Railway on 21st April and shows lettering in white.

In the August 1995 copy of Steam World there is a colour photo of 41224 on Rhyl shed complete with headboard. Photo was taken on 21-8-1954 and shows the lettering in white.

Regards David Hughes,
Old Colwyn.







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June 21st 2013.

An email from Michael Williams and a response from Chris Evans are reproduced below.


Dear Geoff

I wonder if you would be kind enough to pass on a query I have regarding what trains would be running along the The North Wales coast during August 1961 please.

I have fond memories of family holidays in Colwyn Bay during the 1960s and am a great admirer of Chris' Llandudno Junction layout
 and would like to construct one of my own.

 As Chris seems to run his model trains to an authentic schedule for the summer of 1961, I was wondering if he had a list
 of trains that actually ran (or that he runs on his layout) that covered the August period when my family normally went to Colwyn Bay.

 Any engine numbers, reporting numbers, etc that he could provide would be gratefully received.
 If Chris actually had details of all the trains he runs for the summer of 1961, that would be even better.

I am a great fan of the 6g website and always look for the latest information and updates.

Many Thanks.

Mike Williams.


A reply from Chris Evans is shown below.

         

Geoff,

In response to Mike's request, yes I have the complete working timetables for passenger and freight trains
for summer 1961 and have used these to create my Llandudno Junction station working.

Although the timetables themselves are too bulky to copy I can certainly supply Mike with
a copy of my station working, which gives details of all trains, on all days of the week, including
identification numbers and the power class of locomotive I have either determined or guessed worked them.

Further to this, I have been able to discover the actual locomotives working most of the Saturday trains to and from
Llandudno in later July/early August 1961 (much of this info. came from the Llandudno Engine Arrangers book
via John Kirwood) and, as I was on holiday in North Wales at this time I have some records of personal observations.

Mike is most welcome to contact me directly if you will be kind enough to pass on my email address, and I can then
send him all the relevant information - and wish him luck with his project!

Kind regards,
Chris



Below is Mike's reply to Chris Evans.


Dear Chris

Many thanks for your kind offer of assistance.

I have been a great admirer of your layout for a while now and was keen to construct one of my own.
 This too would be based on workings during the summer of 1961 (the first year I went on holiday to Colwyn Bay) and
 would consist of two main sections.
 The first being a representation of the North Wales Coast line at Colwyn Bay and the second a representation
 of Llandudno Junction shed as it might have looked if plans to construct the first stages of a new Coast Road had actually
begun in 1957 - the year I believe the shed itself was redeveloped (or at least repaired).


As I said in my initial email to Geoff, I have have very fond memories of family holidays in Colwyn Bay during
 the 1960s, and felt that constructing a layout like this would help me to recapture those wonderful days.


Any help you can give me regarding train details (engine numbers etc.) would be gratefully received Chris - indeed any
 information at all would be absolutely fantastic.


I was really interested to hear that you had used the Llandudno Engine Arrangers book and your own observations
 as your main sources for the Saturday trains for late July/ early August 1961.

 Do either you or John Kirwood have any plans to publish these at some point? I am sure a lot of people would be interested.

Anyway, thanks again Chris, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind Regards

Mike

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NOTE FROM GEOFF POOLE.

The book Mike refers to above, and Chris below, is the engine men's arrangement book relating to Llandudno.

The book was drawn up by two drivers from 6G, Tommy A. Hughes and Meirig Roberts.

It details engine numbers, times, turns, and destinations of all engines in and out of Llandudno
during the 1960's.

The book's custodian is now ex- 6G stalwart John Kirwood.

I have tried on numerous occasions to make John Kirwood aware that the 6G website would be a
perfect platform to display the unique data this book holds which would be so interesting and helpful to
all ex - 6G workers, 6G website visitors, railway enthusiasts and railway modellers worldwide.

I have to report that to date I have not had a response from John Kirwood to this request.

My open request to John Kirwood still stands and if he wishes to contact me I will pick up the book, scan it
 and return it safely to his possession.

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Below is Chris Evans' reply to Mike.

Hello Michael,

First of all I must thank you for your kind remarks about my layout.
 You are absolutely right when you mention capturing memories of those wonderful days back in the
 60s when, like yourself, I used to go to North Wales for summer holidays.

 In my case I stayed at Betws-Y-Coed but saw quite a lot of the main line along the coast.
 Often whilst the rest of the family were on the beach I would stand all day by the line side, fascinated by
 the procession of steam passing by.

 Once I had the opportunity to try to re-create something of that era I decided there would be no half measures and
embarked on my project to build Llandudno Junction and Llandudno as it was in 1961.

Many years later I still get an immense amount of enjoyment from operating sessions, and operating is really
 what the layout is all about.

 I am not a 'rivet counter' and am not too concerned about the accuracy of every detail, as long as
 the result looks and feels about right.

 What I did want to do was to run trains as nearly as possible to the summer 1961 timetable, with the correct
motive power but hauling roughly half-length trains in order to fit the space available.

 In a limited space trains always appear longer than they really are, anyway, so it doesn't bother me that
most of mine are formed of no more than seven coaches; freight trains are similarly only about half-length.

 With any model in a limited space but covering a large area there has to be compromise and obviously the
 stations, sheds and other buildings are necessarily also much shorter than the prototypes, but the
overall effect I think is quite satisfactory.

After much research I have uncovered quite a lot of information about what actually ran at the time, using
 the original working timetables, carriage workings and recorded allocations and observations of
 locomotives and DMU's.

 Whilst I have had to make some assumptions (and am continually updating the running plan as more
detail comes to light) I am happy that I am probably operating to about 90% accuracy.

 As you will know, Saturdays were by far the busiest days and, although coaching stock is not accurately
 diagrammed (otherwise I would need many hundreds more coaches than the hundreds I already have!) locomotives and
 DMU's are and, accordingly, I have amassed over 160 of the former and 15 of the latter.
 I didn't acquire these all in one go, however, and so have gradually changed the diagrams to allow more
 accurate working as and when more motive power has become available.

From this you will realise that I have a great deal of detailed information and my running plans include
 everything necessary to operate on all days of the week.

 To give you an idea of what that includes I have attached a table of the contents of the books involved.

 What I really need to know, in order to be able to help you further, is how closely you intend to run to the
original timetable, or whether perhaps you just want to run a representative selection of trains.

I can then advise you on how much motive power and stock you will need, as well as providing you with as much appropriate detail as I have.

Regrettably, I don't have access to the Llandudno Engine Arrangers book and don't know its keeper, John Kirwood.
 A limited amount of information from it has appeared in 'The Men of 7A and 6G Loco shed' by
 Derek Williams, and Geoff Poole has very kindly been trying to help by persuading John Kirwood to share its valuable
 information, via his excellent website, but has so far not been successful.


(SEE NOTE ABOVE BY GEOFF POOLE REGARDING THE LLANDUDNO ENGINE ARRANGERS
BOOK -  HELD BY JOHN KIRWOOD)


 I have attached the information I do have, which also includes some from other sources as well as my own
 observations of the time, and at least gives an insight of the variety of motive power that worked along the coast in those days.

 You will notice, incidentally, that there was a great deal of discrepancy regarding
 allocation, and even loco type, with many of the trains from one weekend to the next - a reflection of just how
 difficult it was to provide motive power at such busy times but also an opportunity for quite a lot of modeller's licence!



I look forward to hearing from you again and will follow progress with your plans with great interest.
I'm sure you will have great fun with it and that it will give you much pleasure!

Kind regards,
Chris Evans



The data Chris refers to above is now published on the  Chris Evans page.


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June 14th 2013.

An email from Gareth Flemington is reproduced below.
If anyone can help please email the site through the link on the HOMEPAGE.

Hi Geoff

I am look for a decent photo or print of the Flying Welshman which I would like to frame.

In the 50's & 60's I use to travel on this train from Euston to Bangor as my mother was from Bethesda and we used to visit family there.

I always remember the dining car attendant coming along and inviting passengers for
lunch or dinner, I was always upset that we never went
as mother would always pack sandwiches.

Kind regards

Gareth Flemington

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John Powell writes :

Hi Geoff,  Regarding the "Flying Welshman" photos for Gareth (see above).

 If he goes to the  " Main Line "  page on the 6G website, and scrolls down to photo numbers - [12] - ( 45532 ) - [13] - ( 46111) at
Prestatyn, and [19] at Conwy Castle, (6128). I'm sure they will be of interest to him.

 Coincidently, this train ran non - stop from
Chester to Bangor, with a connection there for Pwllheli.

Regards. John.



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June 14th 2013.

A report by Jim Fenton.

COMPASS TOUR TO CARDIFF.


Went on the above trip on Saturday May 18th 2013.
 An excellent day out. Spot on timings all the way, combined with beautiful weather and the spectacular Heart of Wales scenery.

 You're missing a treat if you've not been on the line.
 Some of the gradients must really challenge steam locos. The 57's performed well with a 12 coach train which was way too long for many stations.

 It was good to see it almost filled to capacity. Once in Cardiff, a visit to the Bay was achieved via Queens Street
 and the shuttle down to the Bay.

The line from Queens Street to the Bay still retains a lot of GWR features, if you can see through all the Buddleia!!
 At least they have retained land to allow expansion.

On another point - it was amusing to observe the engineer, after oiling round 'Tornado' at the Junction recently, whipping out a cloth
 and rubbing any drips of oil off the paintwork.

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June 12th 2013.

More sad news of the loss of two more 6G men is shown below.


WILF SCRAGG
  BORN 16/01/1931 -  PASSED AWAY 11/05/2013
(AGED 82 YEARS).


Wilf Scragg started on the railway, as a cleaner, in November 1953 aged 22 years.

He eventually became a Fireman at 6G


The funeral order of service sheet is reproduced below along with several photographs of Wilf with retired colleagues and
during his working days on the railway.




(Left to right) Derek Williams - Gwilym Davis - Wilf Scragg



Wilf with Derek Williams.




Tony Griffiths and Wilf.




John Kelley and Wilf at the 2004 Railway Reunion.




Wilf in happier times with his 6G workmates aboard Black Five 45133.

(left to right)
Eddie - Ian - Wilf - John - Alan - (N/K) -  John.




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DEREK BRIAN DAVIES.

  BORN 19/07/1934 -  PASSED AWAY 18/05/2013
(AGED 78 YEARS).

Derek entered service on the railway on June 18th 1951 aged 17 years and became a Fireman at 6G.

He left the railway in 1960 and after two weeks of unemployment he started work at Llandudno General hospital
in charge of the sterilizing unit.

  Derek left this employment to take up a position as a porter at Conwy hospital.

The following two photographs show a happy Derek at home with his pet dog
and then with some of his workmates at 6G.




(left to right)
Kevin Aitcheson - Will Hughes - O.L. Griffiths - Derek Davis, with the carriage shed in the background.




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May 20th 2013.

An email from Andy Davies is reproduced below with interesting news that Direct Rail Services (DRS) are in the process of opening
a new train crew depot at Llandudno.

Only just stumbled on your website and it's an interesting one with lots to see!

You may or may not be aware that Direct Rail Services are in the process of setting up a new train crew depot
at Llandudno, which will include a signing on point, fuel and stable/ light maintenance.

It's in the early stages and running alongside the renovation of Motherwell depot which is in the process of being
fully re-opened with all the 21 drivers moving from Grangemouth.

  DRS will be moving some drivers to sign at Llandudno and also employing some as well.

You would probably be more likely to know where the location would be but thought you would be
interested and find it useful to know.

Once again great site.

Regards Andy Davies.



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May 8th 2013.

PATRIOT PROGRESS REPORT

The new build Patriot Class 45551 " The Unknown Warrior" took major steps forward this month by using a recently available
process for making cylinder patterns out of polystyrene instead of the more expensive traditional wood.

The use of this method has saved the project in the region of £29000.

 However because they melt after being used, they can only be used once unlike the more expensive wooden patterns but as Patriot cylinders
aren't standard to any other locomotive, there's no point in using wood.

The poly pattern is made from 9 separate layers.

 They are using techniques, to make patterns, that have not commonly been used in the steam railway world before.

 This has attracted attention from railway projects in Melbourne, Australia!


The four photos below show the patterns.

Polystyrene pattern for outside cylinders £2000 each & middle one £2280
Casting for outside ones £4750 each and middle one £5170
£30000 approx for machining and finishing.

THANKS TO JOHN BARROWDALE AND ANDREW LAWS FOR THE ABOVE DETAILS AND FOLLOWING PHOTOS.








The work continues with the smokebox for 45551 now assembled with front tube plate, door and door surround all fitted.







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April 20th 2013.

Derek Williams is providing Chris Evans with valuable records of his memories of 6G engine visitors during 1961
which will help Chris use authentic engines on his model railway layout
Chris has sent the email below where he mentions Derek's notes along with his own recollections of a visit to 6G during
the "Glorious Years" which will bring back memories to many readers.


Hi Geoff,

I very much look forward to seeing Derek's loco jottings from 1961 when he brings them - it's very
kind of you both to go to the trouble.  Every little piece of info of this sort helps to put the jig-saw together
so that I can recreate the most accurate representation I can.

The model railway company Bachmann are going to produce a Stanier 5MT 2-6-0 soon which will help.
Remarkably, considering the variety of locos that ran along the coast in 1961, that only really leaves one
class regularly seen that is not mass-produced: the Stanier 3MT 2-6-2 tanks, which is a shame as 6G had quite
a number of them, as I'm sure you know.

About half a dozen were still in service, mainly confined to empty stock workings, pilot duties and locals between
Llandudno and the Junction, whilst a further four were stored on the shed back road.
As I'm sure you will know, this was the original Blaenau branch when Llandudno Junction station was sited
further west, near the road crossing.

I do have a couple of kit-built examples so at least they are represented.
Apart from that, all that's missing as a ready-to-run product are the Caprotti versions of the Stanier Black 5s, although
again I have conversions, and similarly the Caprotti Standard 5s - 73126-73135 being allocated to Patricroft and being
regular visitors on Manchester trains.

Speaking of those locos stored on the back road, I remember 'cabbing' every one of them whilst on holiday
in 1961, no doubt getting filthy dirty in the process!

There was also a 'Jinty' in store, 47394, an old 2P 4-4-0, 40635, and three Fowler 3MT tanks, 40008, 40048 and 40058, all
of which had been allocated to 6G but were surplus to requirements.

I have them specially underlined with a 'C' for 'cabbed' in my ABC spotter's book and have since found a number of
photos of them in various books and magazines.

Most of them remained there for quite a few years, being 'out of the way' whilst many hundreds of other locos
were being sent to the scrap yards at the time.

Thanks again, Geoff, and looking forward to hearing from you again!

Best wishes,

Chris


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 The jottings mentioned above, showing the engines Derek Williams remembers on shed in January 1961, are shown below.



I wonder if any more memories of engines noted on 6G are still in existence.

If anybody has any details similar to the above they would be valuable records of the shed that we could publish on
the website as I'm certain they would be of great interest and help to readers and railway modellers alike.

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April 18th 2013

CLIFFORD ALUN ROBERTS
1937 - 2013.

The sad news has reached me of the passing away of another 6G man.

Cliff Alun Roberts passed away on April 2nd 2013 aged 76 years.

Cliff was born in Llandudno and lived all of his life at 5 Kings Place Llandudno.

He attended Ysgol Dyffrhyn Road and then went on to Central School on Trinity Avenue
both in Llandudno.

Cliff entered service on the railway as a cleaner on June 6th 1952, aged 16 years, and eventually became a driver at 6G.

The funeral order of service sheet is reproduced below along with several photographs of Cliff with retired colleagues and then
during his working days on the railway.












Cliff (centre) is shown at work here with two colleagues alongside D200 at Bleanau Ffestiniog.
(PHOTO ALAN HAYWARD - UNDATED)




Cliff ( second from right ) with more colleagues at Bleanau Ffestiniog alongside a class 24 rail tour.
(PHOTO ALAN HAYWARD - UNDATED)





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April 4th 2013.

An email from Luke Pettitt is reproduced below asking for any photographs of Port Dinorwic station.

Any details can be sent through the email address on the HOMEPAGE.


Hello,

I currently live in what was Port Dinorwic Station and I'm trying to find as many pictures as I can.

I have looked at your excellent site and I note that you have a picture of BR 80094 outside my front
window! (North Wales stations page) I'd love to purchase a copy of of it and I think the copyright might belong to John Powell. 

Would it possible to have contact details for him or do you know who owns the copyright if not him? 

Also if you know of anyone else who might have pictures I'd be extremely grateful.

Yours sincerely, 

Luke Pettitt 


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April 1st 2013.

An email from Nigel Wills - Browne is reproduced below with an interesting account of a trip to Bury.


Hi Geoff, I went to Bury today (31/03/2013) for a dose of steam sounds and smells, and picked up a copy of Steam World, issue 189 March 2003.

In it there's a magic article by Bill Rear of a run he did with Bangor driver  R. J. Williams ("Bob Joy") from Chester to Bangor.

Bob Joy's passed cleaner fireman was dreading the run back to Bangor but luckily Bill Rear was off duty on the platform and planned
to travel back from Chester to Bangor on the cushions.

This was not to be and Bill ended up firing 44686. First stop Llandudno Junction in 48 minutes!!!! then next stop Bangor in
16 minutes!!!  Brilliant, and told in the inimitable Bill Rear style.

Also this article brought to my attention that the legendary J.M.Dunn was J.Max Dunn. I've read his books and admired his achievements for 45
odd years and never knew what his first name was.

Bill tactfully doesn't name the passed cleaner who had worked up to Chester and rode back to Bangor with the guard.

1954 Emerald Isle Express with 8 on and 266 tons.

Regards, Nigel.


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March 21st 2013.

An email query from Chris Evans is reproduced below.



Hi Geoff,

I hope you are well.

I have come across a working that has me rather flummoxed and wonder whether any of your contacts
  may be able to help.

The services in question were summer Sunday afternoon excursion trains that ran from Rhyl (steam hauled) and Llandudno (dmu) to
Menai Bridge and LlanfairP.G., certainly in 1961 and possibly other years.

Lengthy stops were made in one direction at both these places to allow time to explore and the steam train was advertised
as having refreshment facilities from and to Llandudno Junction (which is curious in itself - why not from/to Rhyl?)

The (summer 1961) advert for this service appears in Michael Jones' 'Steam on the North Wales Coast' book, which I
expect you probably have a copy of.

The really odd thing is that I have never seen a photo of this train and it does not appear in the 1961 working
timetable, despite being advertised as running every Sunday throughout the summer!

I wonder whether you would be kind enough to put this on your website where it may arouse some memories.
In particular I would be very grateful if anyone has a photo of either the steam or diesel train; I am wondering
whether the steam working, as it began at Rhyl, used the BR Standard 4, 4-6-0 and 'Welsh Chieftain' set of
coaches that were otherwise only used on Mondays-Fridays.

Incidentally, it would also be useful to know whether the Cafeteria Car in this train was formed in the Rhyl or Llandudno portion.


Thanks in anticipation of your help.

Take care,
Chris Evans



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March 21st 2013.

An email query from Nigel Wills - Browne is reproduced below.


Hi Geoff, I've just picked up a wonderful Eric Treacy book, Roaming The Northern Rails, and there's a curious and very clear (typical Eric T.) photo taken in
1948/49/50 at Llandudno of 44742 with a 7A shedplate, Page 206, right at the back of the book.

It shows a pair of very strange looking headlamps with very small bullseye lenses, the same sort of size lens that were fitted on electric headlamps.

I remember some of the late Black 5s were fitted with Stones turbo generators but this one doesn't appear to have electric lamps or cable conduits
for them, so they must be paraffin....

Any replies about my Denbigh head scratcher???  (March 7th 2013 below)

Regards, Nigel.

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(April 20th 2013)

Another email from Nigel regarding the above is reproduced below.

Hi, Geoff, hope you are well, found another picture of the oddball headlamps.
On the 6G Caprotti 5s section of your website, by John Powell, there is a photo of 44742 leaving Llandudno August 1948 by Eric Treacy.
It's the first photo and clearly shows those headlamps with unusual east west carrying handles unlike the
normal ones with north south handles.
Maybe this dates and could be the same day as Eric's photo in Roaming the Northern Rails. Keep up the good work, regards, Nigel.



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March 18th 2013

RONALD EVANS
1940 - 2011.

The family of Ronald Evans have asked Derek Williams if the 6G website could publish the details of Ron's untimely death
aged 71 years on December 30th 2011 and we are pleased to do so.

Ron was born in 1940 and entered railway service in 1955 , aged 15 years, at Llandudno Junction shed (6G).

Ron went to work, on loan to Cricklewood - London in 1959, as a passed cleaner.

Ron didn't last long in London.

He gave up his job and returned to North Wales and went to work for Hopol in Colwyn Bay.

Ron's funeral was held at Bron-y-Nant Crematorium, Colwyn Bay on Thursday January 12th 2012.

Copies of the funeral order of service sheet are published below along with a photograph
of Ron and his wife on their wedding day.

Rest in peace Ron!









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March 7th 2013.
An appeal for information from anyone who is familiar with the track layout and train movements at Denbigh
in the 60's, is requested below by Nigel Wills - Browne.


Hi, Geoff, I see you have my previous e-mail up and running for all to see already (March 6th 2013), isn't technology wonderful.

Maybe one of your 6K (Rhyl) guys might be able to solve a mystery:

I used to catch the last train from Chester to Ruthin in the early sixties, on arrival at Denbigh it used to overtake an up train which was
in the through platform - then stop and set back into the through platform, behind the up train.

Then the loco, usually a standard 4 or standard 2, would uncouple and proceed to Denbigh turntable, then return tender first, hitch up
and depart for Ruthin at great speed.

Was this so that the return ECS to Rhyl was "right way round" or something to do with it's next turn the following day???

Further evidence of this move is a photo of Denbigh yard at that time with polished rails leading to the turntable when
all the surrounding rails were rusty.

I realise this is a bit out of your area but Rhyl crews worked these and somebody might remember the details.

Also belated thanks to the driver of 75033 who gave me an exciting 80 mph run from Ruthin to Denbigh on the footplate...There was a catch...
see that shovel, son,...see that pressure gauge...well keep stoking until that needle reaches that red mark...then we'll be away....

Regards, Nigel.
(Roscoe Engineering, Liverpool.)



A further email from Nigel is reproduced below.


Hi, Geoff, sorry it's me again, the picture of shiny track towards Denbigh turntable is on P39 of
Bill Rear's book"The Denbigh to Mold Line", it was dated 28/8/61.

Just read a bit more on your 6G site , the bit by J.M.Dunn about his Mr.P at what was then 7A shed, fascinating...

You deserve a medal for organising all this.

Regards, Nigel.



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March 6th 2013.

An email from John Powell is reproduced below with a humorous shed bash story from the "Glorious Years".

Hi Geoff,  Many thanks for the DVDs that you sent to me recently.
I have managed to watch the first two so far.

 Very interesting, especially the Newton Heath shed one.

 It brought a little chuckle to me when my memory went back to around 1959 / 1960, when
four of us went to bash the Manchester sheds one weekday.
 We went by train to the city then used public transport armed with a shed directory.

 When we arrived at Manchester Exchange, one
of the lads, Brian, was feeling a bit rough with a sickly stomach ache.

 We suggested that he stayed on the station near a toilet, but he said he would
come with us regardless.

We didn't have permits for any of the sheds, but we managed to gain permission from the shed foremen at
Agecroft, Newton Heath, Gorton, the works, until we arrived at Patricroft.
As we got to the door the foreman was standing outside looking immaculate in possibly his best suit, and highly
polished shoes.
 " Can I help you lads?" he said. We asked him if we could have a look around the shed, but he said
that he was expecting the district supervisor any moment, but if we
came back in an hour or so, he would gladly show us around.

It was at that moment that Brian`s stomach decided to turn into a volcano, and he let fly all down
the foreman`s right leg, and again down his left leg and all over his shoes.
 We tried to apologise but he told us to go "forth and multiply", muttering " blxxdy trainspotters", and don't bother
to come back.

 Needless to say, we did not get to see what was inside Patricroft.

Sort of happy days.!!!!!

I am quite impressed with John Hobbs`s photos of the water troughs at Prestatyn, how well I
remember them, but I never managed to take any photos of them myself.

Regards John.



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March 6th 2013.
An email from Nigel Wills - Browne is reproduced below.
Many thanks Nigel for your kind words and glad you enjoyed the website.

Dear Geoff,
 Your 6G website is brilliant, what wonderful nostalgic memories.

In the early sixties I used to spend a summer week with a Holiday Runabout Ticket (No. 7 I think) and
used to travel many miles round all of North Wales from home in Ruthin.

The highlight was catching the Holyhead- Birmingham, was it 1G35, which ran non stop from Holyhead to Chester
with my head out of the window all the way, noting all the signal boxes and highlights of flying through Bangor and LJ, happy days.

I've been running a car repair garage for the last 35 years in the Dingle underground terminus of the Overhead Railway
in Liverpool, which collapsed last year and we are still waiting patiently to have it made safe
again, (see Dingle Tunnel collapse on Google), so I've spent time at home exploring the internet and came across your wonderful
nostalgia fix which is better than reading a Bill Rear book.

Was sorry to read about 44686/7 being unreliable, have spent many hours hauled at great speed by them on Llandudno-Manchester club
trains and also fond memories of 45600 Bermuda which was, I think, a Patricroft 26F club train loco.

Keep up the good work we all appreciate it.

Regards Nigel.



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February 12th 2013.
An interesting email and photo from Stuart Ottaway are reproduced below.


Geoff , The photo below was taken on Sunday May 17th 1964. Recorded in my log book (which I still have) of sheds
I visited between July 1962- September 1966.
Whilst I visited 6A, 6B and 6D I never visited 6G - mores the pity.
The photo shows 0-6-0 4F No. 44389 (a long term resident of 6G) in very clean condition, taken a long way
from home territory, at 1A Willesden!

Keep up the good work.

Regards Stuart.






Stuart has sent in this further detail along with s scan of pages from his original logbook.


Geoff,

Two pages from my spotting logbook are shown below.

On the left page it shows 44525 (photo shown below) - which I saw on June 5th 1966 at Crewe where it was works shunter.

The reason I mention it is that it was a long term resident of 6G.

On the page North Wales Coast Steam, Alan Bartlett has a photo of it in store at 6G looking as if it was ready for
scrapping, with chimney sacked over.

However it was sent to Crewe and not withdrawn until October 1966 becoming the last survivor of the class.

Interesting to see that 5B (Crewe South) had 94 steam on shed also 6D (Shrewsbury) - [previously Chester Northgate] had
43 steam on shed including 7802 on its way to Woodhams at Barry (subsequently preserved)

Regards Stuart.





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January 1st 2013.

Alan Roberts has sent in this photo below, taken in 1974 of George Jones (aka Uncle George) on his retirement.
He was a block inspector (aka Signalmen's Inspector) for Llandudno Junction. Photo shows his work colleagues

Left to Right back row : Eddie Thomas Llandudno Junction Relief , Charles Roberts Crossing Keeper Deganwy Quay,
Mike Martin Signalman Ty Croes?, Eric Hardy Signalman Llandudno, Glyn Thomas Llandudno Junction Relief, Bill Green Colwyn Bay Relief,
Evan Jones, Signalman Llandudno Junction. Jack Petts Rhyl Relief. Jim Sharp Signalman Colwyn Bay.

Left to Right front row : Cyril Tyrer Llandudno Junction Relief, Mrs Jones, Tom Leach Signalman Penmaenmawr,
George Jones, Ken Williams Llandudno Junction Relief.







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William Richard Jennings.
"Boyo"
1926 - 2012

January 4th 2013.

More sad news from Derek Williams arrived today to inform me of the loss of another 6G stalwart.  Ex - 6G driver "Boyo" Jennings
passed away peacefully at Plas Isaf Care Home, Rhos on Sea on December 19th 2012 and his funeral
was today at All Saints Church, Deganwy.

"Boyo" was born in Dolgarrog on September 6th 1926 and started on the railway on January 1st 1942 aged 15 years.

The front and back of the order of service along with some photographs of "Boyo" Jennings are shown below.







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December 31st 2012.

An email and request for details from David Hughes is reproduced below.


Hello Geoff,

I have been researching railway breakdown cranes, for a model I have, and have come up with the following list of cranes based at 6G.

RS1023/15 ? - c1938 ex Midland Railway
RS1029/15 1938 - 1943 ex Caledonian Railway
RS1027/15 3/1943 - 1/1961 ex North Staffs Railway
RS1023/15 4/1961 - 9/1963 ex Midland Railway
RS1008/36 9/1963 - 1964 ex LNWR

There is one other crane, RS1076/30 (ex LMS), which was at 6G between 1943 & 1944 and I don't know if it replaced RS1027 or was there at the same time.

Before c1937 Crewe breakdown cranes appear to have handled any mishaps in North Wales.

I have included a photo of my part completed model, to be RS1027/15, hoping that my fellow readers can furnish some information so that I can finish it.

This crane was different to the others in having outriggers, the orange part on the model, to steady it when lifting. There is a photo of RS1027 in
the book, The Men of 7A/6G, and this shows it was painted black, had electric lighting and had a roof over the operating space.

Info I need is regarding the match wagon, was the crane vacuum fitted and was there an emblem on the side of the water/coal tank.

 Thank you for your help.

Best wishes to you and my fellow readers for 2013.

David Hughes
Colwyn Bay




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November 19th 2012.

The December issue of "Steam Days" magazine features a very special local interest article that will interest many local enthusiasts.

The article "Steam Days at Llandudno Junction" by Stanley Jenkins examines the effect that the coming of the London & North Western Railway had
on the development of Llandudno and it's hinterland in the wake of the drive to improve communications with Ireland in the 19th century, as well as
subsequent railway developments through the nationalisation and beyond.

The twenty page article is very well researched and written with great understanding of the area as well as being illustrated by many obscure and
previously unpublished images of local steam through the "Glorious Years".

At £4.10 this edition of "Steam Days" is real value for money to anyone with an interest in local railway history.


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November 17th 2012.

An appeal for help from Anthony Ashley, regarding any photographic record or detail of the repair shed that stood at Bangor station
alongside the engine and goods sheds is published below.

Any detail on this would be appreciated and can be forwarded through the email link on the HOMEPAGE.



Dear Sir/Madam,

I live in Australia and I am creating a large N scale layout based on the North Welsh coast in the period 1960-65. I have built a large shed to
house the layout in, which will be 35'X16'. I have been researching for approx 9 months and have pictures of most of the rail facilities
for the 3 stations including Conwy, Penmaenmawr and Bangor.

There were three large sheds in Bangor station. In N scale each shed will be approx 2' X 1'. The three sheds were the engine, goods and wagon or engine repair shed.
The engine and goods sheds still exist and I have photos of them which provide the basis for an accurate model.

Unfortunately the repair shed, which I believe had office accommodation above, has been demolished and I have been unable to find any pictures of the structure.

In addition the material available for Conwy station in the first half of the 1960's is also limited.

I have tried the HMRS, York Rail Museum, the LMS and LNWR societies for information but without much success.
Do you have any ideas or access to material showing the Bangor repair shed and/or Conwy station
which you would be willing to provide me with.

The 3 sheds going from east to west in the station were the engine, goods and then the repair shed.

Google satellite images show where the track work used to run leading into the repair shed.

I believe the repair shed was demolished after 1966.

If you are able to assist or come up with more ideas for gaining access to plans or photos of the demolished repair shed in Bangor station I
would be very appreciative.

Regards,
Anthony Ashley


Google satellite image showing where track work used to run into the repair shed and area of the shed.




A further email from Anthony is reproduced below.

Dear Geoff,

Thank you very much for your assistance. It is really appreciated.
I have spent the day insulating my shed for the rail layout. Time spent on research is never wasted.

As indicated below I have been researching the Conwy, Penmaenmawr and Bangor stations for many months now.

I have purchased the following books in conducting this research:

Rhyl to Bangor by Vic Mitchell and Keith Smith

London Midlands by WG Rear

Railways of North Wales Bangor, Scenes for the past :14 by W.G.Rear

North Wales Steam Vols 1 and 2 by E.N. Kneale.

None of these books show buildings to the west of the Goods shed. I have looked through your very extensive web site, but again
none of the photos show the large repair shed On the plan I have, the repair (or engineers shed) was as large as the Engine shed.

As I indicated in the email sent previously I have photos of the Engine Shed and Goods Shed, but the repair shed was the third shed in the area.
The repair shed on the plan I have by the LMS shows the repair shed further round to the west of both the engine and goods shed.
There used to be three sheds. I have looked on Google Satellite and you can see where the tracks used to run
into the repair shed to the west of the goods shed.

Unfortunately the repair shed was torn down after 1968 but I am unsure when exactly this occurred.

For the purpose of my rail layout the repair shed would still have been in existence and operational. The plan I have indicates that there were offices over the repair shed.

Once again thank you very much for your assistance, and if you are able to throw any light on the third shed it would really be appreciated.

Regards,

Anthony Ashley



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Another email from Anthony is below in which he explains his choice of North Wales for his mammoth modelling task.

Dear Geoff,

In reply to your query as to why I am modelling Wales.

It seems that in reading 1000s of railway magazines many people’s interest in railways sprung from their childhood
contacts, I am no different, although in my case it was not by seeing the prototype locos and stations.

As a child of about 8 years I had a fairly eccentric great uncle. He owned nearly many Hornby items from the mid 60s and earlier in O gauge.
He had a room in which these treasures were stored on shelves at least 2.5 metres wide and extending to the ceiling.
At the age when I was talking and visiting him he was in his 70s and no longer able to climb on a ladder to access his marvellous collection of models.
I was given a privilege of climbing around the room, pull-out a model, show my uncle only to be told that he had not seen that model for at least 30 years.
This provided many afternoons of entertainment for both myself and my uncle.
We were both equally delighted with the models. One of his models was the Flying Scotsman, which I thought was a great model.

I am now 53 years of age and have been in the Australian Army for nearly 30 years. I have moved around Australia for most of these
30 years, but as said in my last email, we have finally moved into the last house my family will occupy, as I shall retire in the next 2-5 years.
Hence I was able to build the shed which allows me to build the 36’X16’ layout. I have been interested in railways since my childhood as explained above.

I decided to model Peterborough, including both the LNER and LMS part of the station and lines.
When I attempted to do the track plan for it there were real problems in modelling the approaches to the station, the track layout
was absolutely huge and the surrounding county was relatively flat and boring.

I spent an afternoon with a friend of mine in Brisbane looking for a Mainline that included a couple of smaller stations, ran an expansive
number of passenger and freight operations and included a large station capable of being modelled, while providing
a challenging freight environment for shunting operations and fantastic scenery.

We looked through a number of books on stations pre Nationalisation. I found Conwy, Penmaenmawr and Bangor
in the book Chester to Holyhead Railway by V.R. Anderson and G.K. Fox.
The stations are attractive as Conwy has the fantastic castle and medieval town wall to model, is on a river, has 3
fantastic bridges, a small freight shunting area and a few hills.

Penmaenmawr is on the sea, is a picturesque holiday town, has a fantastic mountain right next to it which includes
a marvellous rail and road viaduct between the ocean and mountain.
I am also going to slightly distort reality and operate the light rail facility which moved the granite for the mountain to the main line rail service.
I understand that this closed some years earlier but will take some licence, as it will give me the opportunity to model a Welsh quarry light railway.

Bangor is a great station to model given its position in a valley with tunnels at either end.
It is quite large And from my reading was a hub for rail freight traffic in the area in the early 60s, allowing a great variety
in the types of goods subject to movement to and through the station.
Given it was a primary station on the route to Ireland, this would also provide varied freight requirements.

I have been modelling Napoleonic miniatures for the last 35 years. I have a collection of 3,500 hand painted 15 mm figures which I have put a lot of detail into.

The challenge of producing a model railway layout of a specific location for a specific period is
challenging, given the amount of research required to accurately model the stations.

I have been told by numerous modellers that I have no hope of completing this task, but I have always been determined and
am expecting to spend 15 to 20 years in completing the whole layout.

I shall divide the venture into 3 to make the task more manageable and resist burn out.

I believe constructing base boards of sufficient quality for a layout the whole layout would see me conducting this task
for many months with no variety and little satisfaction that I had really moved forward.
Accordingly I shall begin with Conwy to the stage of building the base bards, laying track, ballasting
and completing at least a fair proportion of the scenery. Once completed I shall move onto Penmaenmawr.

My Army career has taught the value of properly planning.
I have been planning now for 9 months and will need to continue this process.
No plan remains totally static and should be subject to amendment.
Realistically my completion date for the whole layout is 15 to 20 years, but Conwy and then Penmaenmawr are a much closer objective.

I am recruiting local railway enthusiast to assist in my layout.

In direct answer to your question, I am not Welsh but decided on a layout in the UK due to the great Flying Scotsman model I saw about 45 years ago.
The great thing is that as a result of seeing your (6G) and Charlie’s (North Wales Coast Railway) rail sites I understand that both the Flying Scotsman and the
Blue Peter
visited the North Welsh Coast line in 1966.

My great Uncle would be very impressed if he were alive today.
This means that I can legitimately have both of these LNER locos running a holiday excursion train on my layout while retaining a sense of reality.
I also plan on having some conserved LMS maroon engines as well!

I hope I have not bored you too much with my ramblings and enthusiasm for the task! If you are interested in seeing the Conwy
part of my plan I am happy to send it to you.
I have gone down to allotment level and us
ing Google Street view to record the design of many of the
houses and shops within the Town walls.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Anthony Ashley


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November 17th 2012

An email from Bob Barnsdale in answer to Anthony's above appeal is reproduced below.


Hi Geoff,

 From Bangor station, I have been told/remember, 2nd loco shed with later roof (still standing), then 1st loco shed/later goods
shed (still standing) - only known photo of this building as a loco shed Bill Rear Collection Llandudno Archives; then
engineers
office workshops damaged by fire 1960's now demolished.

 Yours Bob Barnsdale


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November 21st 2012.

An email I sent to Anthony yesterday and his reply with two shots of where the layout will be housed are shown below.


Hi Anthony,

I have had a couple of replies to your query which I have copied below.

Bob Barnsdale (below) mentioned Norman Kneale who is a very well known railway photographer who has had several books published, and who helped
me with rare shots when I started the website many years ago.

By coincidence I was working in Menai Bridge Anglesey today and decided to call on Norman, who still
lives there, to ask if he had any recollections of the sheds.

He does remember the building but remembers it mainly as an engineers office not a repair shop or workshop.
He tells me that he has recently sold his vast collection of slides from that era so can’t
provide any photo evidence which is what I was hoping for
but he did suggest a book titled “Chester and Holyhead Railway” by Greg Fox and Anderson in which he is certain there are photos of the structure in question.

I hope this is of help.

Regards Geoff.


John Hobbs sent in this detail.

There is a view of the District Engineers Workshop at Bangor in Scenes from the Past : Part 14; The railways of North Wales-
Bangor by W.G.Rear, look at Page 8; the lower photograph; shows
a view across the west end of the station; at the right hand side, the end elevation of the District Engineers Office/Workshop can be seen;it is dated circa 1920.


Bob Barnsdale (ex – 6G) sent in this detail.

Hi Geoff, after general discussion with several ex railway men etc. engineers office/workshop partly stood on stilts, brick built, and possibly
three floors. perhaps Norman Kneale would have further details, yours Bob




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A reply from Anthony is shown below along with two photos of the large shed which will house the layout.


Dear Geoff,

Thank you for your reply. I have looked through the book Chester to Holyhead and there is no picture of the Engineers Office/Workshop in it.
That is definitely the building under consideration.

On a positive side page 8 of the book by WG Rear Railways of North Wales Bangor is right on the mark and shows one side of the building in reasonable detail.
I have the book but missed that picture and caption. I have also realised that the colour picture on the back of that book also contains a different
angle view of the same building (a porch with rails and posts outlined in white are prominent)
The picture provided by Charlie Hume also has this building on the left background and provides further detail.

I feel I have enough material to have a fair idea of the building all thanks to your assistance with the web site.

I have enclosed a couple of photos. One shows my efforts in partially insulating the shed.
The other show an excellent location for a little piece of Welsh history and gives an idea of the size available for the layout.

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Anthony Ashley





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My reply to Anthony is shown below.


Hi Anthony, Glad you now have enough detail for your structure.

The layout is going to be something special, I’m sure, so please send me a photo when it is up and running.

I have published the shots of the shed on the NEWSPAGE as I know it has created much interest with enthusiasts.

Thanks again for all your detail and the best of luck with the layout.

I am in the process of designing a new page by Chris Evans which shows his layout of Llandudno Junction in the 60’s and the main line passing Conwy castle
so keep watching the site for publication as it will probably be of interest to you.

Keep in touch, Geoff.


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PROGRESS REPORT :  JANUARY 15th 2013.

Anthony tells me that he has finished weather proofing, insulating and priming the shed.
He has begun construction of the base boards for Conwy and he has sent in photos shown below to show the progress.
Luckily Anthony's family are behind his project as he tells me that his wife and mother - in - law are commencing to paint the
shed walls with a sea and sky back scene. It will fill the wall and be 8 feet high.
Anthony tells me that although he has track plans for Bangor, Penmaenmawr and Conwy stations he would appreciate any plans of
Penmaenmawr station and quarry or Conwy station and goods sidings along with other buildings etc as
at the moment he only has photographs to base his detail on.








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November 13th 2012.

An email from David Stapleton is reproduced below.
If anybody can help please email me through the link on the HOMEPAGE.

Hello Geoff

I have just been looking at the 6G Llandudno Junction website and found it fascinating.
I spent 8 years running on holiday at Llandudno in the 1960s so know the area well.

Anyway, I was really interested in the hundreds of photos on the site from the 1950s and 1960s, the reason being
I am trying to locate photographs of a particular engine – Class 3F 47266 (Jinty).

Research has shown that it spent time at the following sheds:

Crewe South 5B
Alsager 5E
Sowerby Bridge 25E
Mirfield 56D
Wakefield 56A
Stafford 5C
Holyhead 6J (1963/65)
Chester 6A (1966)

Given the Chester and Holyhead connections I was wondering if you might have any idea as to the sort of duties
it might have been employed on during this time? Also if you might suggest where I might find
photographs of this particular engine? Any advice or information would be most welcome.

Dave Stapleton

P.S. Pleas excuse my lack of knowledge as I am fairly new to this subject.

Dave


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November 2nd 2012.

MULTI MILLION POUND REVAMP TO LLANDUDNO STATION.


Work finally started this week on the revamp of Llandudno station.

A 3.5m Welsh Government investment which includes European Regional Development Fund structural funding, 1.5m from
the Department for Transports National Stations Improvement Programme plus £150,000 from the Railway Heritage Trust has enabled
Buckingham Group Contractors Ltd to be given the go ahead to start work this week.

The development will provide a new frontage and ticket office, improved bus facilities and customer information systems.


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October 7th 2012.

A request by Nigel Bown on LOCAL RAILWAY NEWS PAGE (1) for identification of a location in a photo has had a response from John Powell.
I have copied the original request and photo below along with John Powell's response.


An email and an appeal for help with the location, in the photo below from Nigel Bown, is reproduced below.
The engine is an LMS 4P Fowler 4-4-0 (3-Cylinder) compound numbered 925 (BR No. 40925) built 1927.

If anyone can help please use the email link on the HOMEPAGE.


Hi Geoff.

Is this pic of interest ?

It`s another " mystery " from North Wales or so it seems because the loco was apparently shedded at Llandudno Junction [ 6G ] pre WW2.

Would John Powell or anyone be able to determine the location?

Many thanks in anticipation and Best Regards, Nigel.



REPLY FROM JOHN POWELL.

Now this latest query postcard of Compound No 925 for Nigel. Enclosed below is a photo that I have managed to dig up. I feel pretty sure it is taken at the East
end of Penmaenrhos tunnel where there was a siding, and coaches and wagons were stored during the winter months here and further along the down slow line towards
Abergele station. Llysfaen is built on a mountain, so the houses in the background give a clue as well. I would date the photo around the middle 1930s up to ww2, and
it could be a Chester to Llandudno stopper. 925 was built in 1927 at Vulcan foundry and came to 7A from possibly new and remained up to June 1957, and transferred
to 5A, and was withdrawn during 1959.





October 12th 2012.
An email from Alan Roberts is reproduced below with a different opinion on the above puzzle.


Geoff,


Been looking at the mystery photo submitted by Nigel Bown with comments from John Powell.


Looking at the photo - to me it doesn't look like a photo taken east of Penmaenrhos tunnel.

The photo appears to have been taken further south, probably in the Midlands?. The 6G loco may be on a working well away from North Wales.

The only clues I have in the photo are LNW telegraph poles but the wooden fencing appears to be Midland Railway style as most fencing in our area

by the LNWR were in favour of iron spike railings.


Also the location of the houses on the right are not the ones at Llysfaen or Llanddulas - on this side of the line there would have been a quarry.

The siding on the left is on a much higher level. Penmaenrhos siding east of the tunnel was on the same level as the main line.

The siding for Kneeshaw Lupton Quarry was on the opposite side and did rise away from the main line as it fell towards Llanddulas.


 The stabling of coaching stock took place on the slow lines between Llanddulas and Abergele during the winter months.

 I will have a look where the mystery location was taken maybe through books etc - again I think it may be more Midland than North Wales to me.


Regards, Alan.




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October 6th 2012.

On the  LOCAL RAILWAY NEWS PAGE (1)   we published an announcement of the passing away of
Ex - 6G driver Geoff Griffiths on September 10th 2012.


I have received a very nice email from his daughter, Mandy Tribe, which is reproduced below along with my reply.


Hi,
I wanted to express my thanks to you and Derek Williams for uploading the order of
service for my Dad and his pictures.

If I come across any other pictures I will pass them along,

Mandy Tribe
Sent from my iPad


Hi Mandy,
Thank you so much for getting in touch. It's always nice to know the family
are happy with what we do. Very sad to hear about your dad.

Inevitably as time goes by many men from the old depot are getting older but
it's always sad to lose another link with the past.

I will pass on your thanks to Derek Williams without whom not much of the history
from 6G would have survived.

Many thanks for your contact.

Regards Geoff.


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